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^ awesome! much appreciated. I'll add it to my 2014 Projects tally.
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Hey, it fronts Truman and is built to the corner at Park. Not bad. I agree, lots of parking but I assume this will be a commuter school.
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^ iirc, it will be more of a clinical residency (for higher level students who studied earlier in Kirksville) serving lower income population so there will also be the clients to accommodate.
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^ three stories now instead of two.... looks pretty good and I like how it fronts the street per the second slide.
While development is always a good thing, I wonder about the premise and the necessity of this venture. I mean no disrespect, I'm just asking for educational clarification. Can someone better explain what spurred this? If this is a clinical residency then that assumes post graduate dentists will be providing care. If these are dental students than I assume it is 3rd and 4th year students performing their clinical rotations under the guidance of mentors ultimately signing off on their work. With the saturation of dentists, especially in STL, I just wonder what the sustainability is for this venture financially. Two traditional dental schools backed by major universities closed here already (as per the national trend at the time). SIU remains as a regional dental educational force as far as I know and SLU has graduate dental programs in a few specialties (Endodontics, Periodontics, and Orthodontics?)
Clinical dentistry is no picnic to learn and I wonder who will be staffing these students. If students are being sent out all over the place for clinical rotations it also seems hard to ensure a standard level of expected quality. Do the students stay at a site for all 2 years, a few months? That will affect residential decisions and the impact of an influx of young professionals to the neighborhood. Unfortunately the sad news from over the weekend will likely increase the chances of the home base in Kirksville recommending short term housing in the county. Where are the preceptors coming from to train the 3-4 year students? As first and second years, will they have no early exposure to clinical dentistry? Be able to assist 3-4 year students?
Also, it seems their premise is to serve the underserved, however the students will graduate and likely look to recoup their investment as quickly as possible (they will also be getting a Public Health Degree apparently so tuition will likely be commensurate) by looking for the most lucrative jobs which won't include underserved care. From what little I know about dentistry, it seems there isn't much call for the need for new dentists across the country. I hope this works and turns out to be a valuable resource for the neighborhood and community.
Clinical dentistry is no picnic to learn and I wonder who will be staffing these students. If students are being sent out all over the place for clinical rotations it also seems hard to ensure a standard level of expected quality. Do the students stay at a site for all 2 years, a few months? That will affect residential decisions and the impact of an influx of young professionals to the neighborhood. Unfortunately the sad news from over the weekend will likely increase the chances of the home base in Kirksville recommending short term housing in the county. Where are the preceptors coming from to train the 3-4 year students? As first and second years, will they have no early exposure to clinical dentistry? Be able to assist 3-4 year students?
Also, it seems their premise is to serve the underserved, however the students will graduate and likely look to recoup their investment as quickly as possible (they will also be getting a Public Health Degree apparently so tuition will likely be commensurate) by looking for the most lucrative jobs which won't include underserved care. From what little I know about dentistry, it seems there isn't much call for the need for new dentists across the country. I hope this works and turns out to be a valuable resource for the neighborhood and community.
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Broke ground today. This is kind of a big deal... there will be approximately 95 professionals on site plus dental students.
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With all of the infill that keeps being proposed/built for northeast LS along Dolman, etc., as well as the future completion of ATSU Dental, I think it'll be a no-brainer for someone to develop that big warehouse just west. Sometimes projects just take a couple tries before something sticks...
^I agree. Also, having Field Foods 2 blocks away has to help its viability. Ideally it would be converted to high-end condos. Hopefully the neighborhood and a developer could compromise on market-rate apartments before high-end condos return to being a financial viability.
While it's technically in a different neighborhood, Gilded age plans on adding 62 apartments to the City Hospital site. Maybe if those do well this building will come into play more.
While it's technically in a different neighborhood, Gilded age plans on adding 62 apartments to the City Hospital site. Maybe if those do well this building will come into play more.
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^ Building out the added apartments within the existing structure or new construction?
I'm basing that info on an October 13, 2013 PD article on the Fields Foods opening, which stated the following:
"'The big missing part has been a grocery store,' said Goodson, a real estate developer whose Gilded Age development firm bought the long-shuttered former City Hospital across the street in 2004 and converted the property into 104 condos. 'We just don’t have other close grocery stores in close proximity.'
Next year, Gilded Age will add 62 new apartments to the 10-acre former hospital property site that’s also home to the Palladium event center, Butler’s Pantry catering...."
My guess is existing structure as opposed to new construction. I might be wrong, but I think there's still space in the City Hospital available for conversion.
"'The big missing part has been a grocery store,' said Goodson, a real estate developer whose Gilded Age development firm bought the long-shuttered former City Hospital across the street in 2004 and converted the property into 104 condos. 'We just don’t have other close grocery stores in close proximity.'
Next year, Gilded Age will add 62 new apartments to the 10-acre former hospital property site that’s also home to the Palladium event center, Butler’s Pantry catering...."
My guess is existing structure as opposed to new construction. I might be wrong, but I think there's still space in the City Hospital available for conversion.
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^ thanks much... either way, it will be nice to have more peeps.
I also look forward to where/when the next Field's goes. I think the Vandeventer area would be awesome.... either by the new Commerce or as a Midtown Station anchor.
I also look forward to where/when the next Field's goes. I think the Vandeventer area would be awesome.... either by the new Commerce or as a Midtown Station anchor.
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I believe the Post Dispatch was referring to the renovation of the remaining historic buildings at 14th and Carroll.
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Just posting those renders from the March 3 Biz journal article. Every thread should have renders
EDIT - not sure why they're so small.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... ge_gallery
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Its also great to hear that Gilded Age will begin work on more residential. I haven't been to Element yet, but I also have heard good things about that restaurant, with another rooftop option in the city as a plus. Things are coming along very nicely there. Hopefully another quality retail tenant will join Fields Foods and Walgreen's across the street soon.roger wyoming II wrote:Broke ground today. This is kind of a big deal... there will be approximately 95 professionals on site plus dental students.
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Has anyone heard anything about another tenant? The lot still seems to be staged for construction, with the same BSI trailer from when they built Fields, and light poles waiting to be installed, etc... I remember talk of another smaller commercial building being erected at the Lafayette sidewalk during Fields' planning, but there wasn't anything decided that I know of. Geo STL doesn't show any building permits. Interestingly, and not sure what it means, but the assessed value of the parcel there nearly quintupled last year...roger wyoming II wrote:^Things are coming along very nicely there. Hopefully another quality retail tenant will join Fields Foods and Walgreen's across the street soon.roger wyoming II wrote:Broke ground today. This is kind of a big deal... there will be approximately 95 professionals on site plus dental students.
Took this photo towards the end of last week. Steel frame is going up. This is going to be a very nice addition, I think.
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Thanks for posting that photo. I drive down Lafayette all the time and never noticed. Man, this is going up fast, there is a crane on site as well as other heavy equipment...great to see this gap being filled in! One question, is this a non-profit or a for-profit business? Meaning, will we get property taxes on this or are they exempt?
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This thread title is misleading. The eastern boundary of LS is Dolman. This is actually in the PDW neighborhood.
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bummer...which means no property taxes right? Our schools, police, roads, etc need taxes...still a plus over a surface parking lot...but at least we get the 1% from employees.roger wyoming II wrote:^^ A.T. Still is a private non-profit.
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I believe Gilded Age sold the land to AT Still so likely no property taxes, But it is still a huge win. I think they said there will be about 100 staff -- new jobs, yeah! -- and 50,000 dental visits provided to the low income community in the first year, which is a god send.






