National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Relocation

St.Louis1764 · PostFeb 11, 2016#3762016-02-11T03:04+00:00

St.Louis1764 wrote:Im in agreement with arch city 60 years of exodus and poaching jobs at the expense of the city needs to end.
Making sense is always logical however i think the future of St.Louis which are the children have suffered enough.
If our East siders want growth look for it from outside of the region and not within this instills and keeps stagnation persistent.
This balancing out the population fu fu just sounds silly and is ridiculous..

Remember 60 years of no growth for the city its time to change that keeping something thats sacred to the city history far outweighs anything and can make a true difference.

North St.Louis matters!!!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say St.Louis City Matters!!!

arch city · PostFeb 11, 2016#3772016-02-11T04:29+00:00

shimmy wrote:As for investment opportunities in the Metro East, I think you raise some pretty good ideas, though there are some serious flaws in it (coal is dying, oil is plummeting, for example).

I don't know how old you are, but when you live long enough, you'll see that there are always fluctuations in the energy sector - particularly oil and gas. The Saudis are flooding the markets with oil. There's literally an "oil war" (as characterized by energy players and media) happening. Typically, wars don't last long. The oil market will eventually balance and correct itself. In two years, if not before, we'll be back to paying for higher-priced gasoline.

Here's a piece to nibble. In just today.

Supreme Court Deals Blow to Obama’s Efforts to Regulate Coal Emissions

Now is the time for the Metro East to do the prep work to market itself as a solid player in the sector.

shimmy · PostFeb 11, 2016#3782016-02-11T16:01+00:00

Reps. Bost, Shimkus, and Davis met with Cardillo yesterday and presented a letter signed by all 18 Illinois representatives and both senators in support of the St. Clair site.

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article59608206.html

dredger · PostFeb 11, 2016#3792016-02-11T16:58+00:00

^ Why wouldn't they. What do you think the outcome would be if this a downstate facility moving up to Chicago. Durbin wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole and you certainly wouldn't get both democrats and republicans signing something together. The is good ol grandstanding that would happen anywhere just as Clay took the leading Democrat on the house intelligence committee on a tour of the North St. Louis Site.

shimmy · PostFeb 11, 2016#3802016-02-11T17:46+00:00

Of course. I'm simply posting news updates.

arch city · PostFeb 11, 2016#3812016-02-11T19:13+00:00

"With over 2,100 NGA West employees who are Missouri residents, I believe there is a strong case for keeping the NGA West facility in the state,” Rep. Luetkemeyer said. “The ties that bind NGA and Missouri have lasted over 70 years, they run throughout St. Louis and throughout generations of families. I strongly urge Director Cardillo to keep these reasons, and others, in mind as a final decision is made.”

“The state of Missouri and the NGA have a long history of working together successfully, and I don’t see any reason for the NGA to move the NGA West complex out of the state. I encourage them to stay right here, because with Missouri’s workforce, which stands ready and willing to continue their work to keep America safe, there’s no better location in the country,” Rep. Smith said.

Source: House Delegation Issues Letter to NGA to Support Missouri Jobs (Jun 9, 2015)

PostFeb 11, 2016#3822016-02-11T19:16+00:00

After noting that 70 percent of NGA west employees live in Missouri, their press release states, “As was the case after the recent ISIS attacks in Paris, when an act of terrorism or other national security threat occurs, some NGA employees routinely report back to duty immediately, at all hours.”

The congressmen’s letter, addressed to the NGA’s director, Robert Cardillo, said that the agency could lose “valuable response time in a crisis” if it locates in Illinois. It cited the Draft Environmental Impact Study done by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which said that if the NGA leaves the city, “an average roundtrip commute would increase from 26.4 miles to 58.2 miles based on current workforce zip codes.”

Source: Missouri congressmen invoke Paris attacks as reason to keep NGA in city (Nov 23, 2015)

PostFeb 11, 2016#3832016-02-11T19:31+00:00

Based on the study cited above, moving the NGA to Illinois would cause the NGA's 2,100 Missouri workers to be on the road for an extra hour a day.

Average commute for Missourians would be just short of two hours roundtrip per day.

That's a near-average of 10 hours a week on the road just to get back-and-forth to work.

That would be ridiculous - not to mention insulting to Missouri and its workers.

PostFeb 11, 2016#3842016-02-11T19:37+00:00

PostFeb 11, 2016#3852016-02-11T19:59+00:00

And get this..........

If 3,100 workers leave the city, they take their earnings tax with them. However, most of them (particularly the Missourians), will likely have to use that money to apply to more fuel (gas), more oil changes and repairs due to the longer commutes.

I'd rather give the earnings tax. Seriously.

ynot · PostFeb 11, 2016#3862016-02-11T21:07+00:00

So NGA also has a major facility in Arnold. Does that Arnold location play into any of the decision making at all (e.g. is there any kind of work that requires shuttling back and forth between the Arnold and St.L city locations for any of the employees)? Just curious.

vpr611 · PostFeb 11, 2016#3872016-02-11T23:00+00:00

Did anyone catch the irony of Dave Steward of WWT making comments about "being disjointed" and "not being in the center of St.Louis is problematic", if thats true why isnt he building their new campus on the Northside or even downtown instead of Maryland Heights.

arch city · PostFeb 12, 2016#3882016-02-12T00:56+00:00

Trust me, the Metro East is a lot more disjointed than the Metro West. It's getting better, but driving over there is confusing as hell.

But yes, why isn't WWT building downtown? Good question.

Truth is, however......Asynchrony Labs, which is their subsidiary, is HQd downtown.

WWT has pledged to keep it downtown.

roger wyoming II · PostFeb 16, 2016#3892016-02-16T01:38+00:00

That's a pretty decent video promoting the core as a place to do business... it would be smart to re-package it and send it out to all the CEO's of suburban-headquartered firms.

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 16, 2016#3902016-02-16T02:22+00:00

Otis Williams is so clueless I have no idea how he has managed to fool Slay this long

moorlander · PostFeb 19, 2016#3912016-02-19T14:00+00:00

St. Louis goes all in on NGA

St. Louis and the state of Missouri are prepared to spend $130 million to keep the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

In fact, the city has already spent more than $7 million to show the federal government its site, just north of the former Pruitt-Igoe housing complex in north St. Louis, is viable. By contrast, its primary rival — St. Clair County in Illinois with its greenfield site near Scott Air Force Base — has spent $100,000.

The cross-state competition, in which one side must risk significantly more resources, pits a city desperate to retain revenue and begin development of an impoverished area — especially after the Mississippi riverfront NFL stadium failed — against a county looking to further solidify the importance of and add jobs at Scott Air Force Base, which employs 7,500 military service members and 5,000 civilians.

read more
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... 1455890237

shimmy · PostFeb 20, 2016#3922016-02-20T00:27+00:00

moorlander wrote:
The cross-state competition, in which one side must risk significantly more resources, pits a city desperate to retain revenue and begin development of an impoverished area — especially after the Mississippi riverfront NFL stadium failed — against a county looking to further solidify the importance of and add jobs at Scott Air Force Base, which employs 7,500 military service members and 5,000 civilians.

Well, that paragraph succinctly sums up the previous 26 pages of this thread.

pattimagee · PostFeb 22, 2016#3932016-02-22T14:52+00:00

Have they thought about moving NGA to the riverfront as a kickstart for developing the previous plans?

These

http://www.nextstl.com/wp-content/uploa ... 8f84_o.jpg

STLEnginerd · PostFeb 22, 2016#3942016-02-22T16:14+00:00

Aside from the sprawl aspect my biggest gripe about the proposed Scott AFB site is the fact that its not really all that accessible via Metrolink. If the had proposed a site on the West side of the base off Air Mobility Drive, they could have made a case that they are more accessible than the City site which has no direct metro link access. I don't understand why this wasn't part of the site selection.

CarexCurator · PostFeb 22, 2016#3952016-02-22T16:30+00:00

pattimagee wrote:Have they thought about moving NGA to the riverfront as a kickstart for developing the previous plans?

These

http://www.nextstl.com/wp-content/uploa ... 8f84_o.jpg

That rendering leaves off the perimeter fencing and laser shooting guard dogs.

quincunx · PostFeb 22, 2016#3962016-02-22T16:45+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote:Aside from the sprawl aspect my biggest gripe about the proposed Scott AFB site is the fact that its not really all that accessible via Metrolink. If the had proposed a site on the West side of the base off Air Mobility Drive, they could have made a case that they are more accessible than the City site which has no direct metro link access. I don't understand why this wasn't part of the site selection.

They're trying to make that case. It's 3 miles as the car drives from the Scott station. They've said they would extend the line to NGA, but of course this is a "free" site.

shimmy · PostFeb 22, 2016#3972016-02-22T18:50+00:00

Or they could just add a shuttle.

arch city · PostFeb 22, 2016#3982016-02-22T22:38+00:00

In all honesty, the proposed location site for NGA-West Illinois should be a concern for the FAA and the NGA.

The proximity to the runways are crazy.

wabash · PostFeb 23, 2016#3992016-02-23T01:41+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote:Aside from the sprawl aspect my biggest gripe about the proposed Scott AFB site is the fact that its not really all that accessible via Metrolink. If the had proposed a site on the West side of the base off Air Mobility Drive, they could have made a case that they are more accessible than the City site which has no direct metro link access. I don't understand why this wasn't part of the site selection.

Agreed. The idea that the Scott AFB NGA site is transit accessible because there is a Shiloh/Scott Station is laughable. Especially when you take into consideration the four bus routes that literally surround the Northside site.

quincunx · PostFeb 23, 2016#4002016-02-23T02:01+00:00

Never let the truth get in the way of good marketing!

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