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They're repaving Cass, but only between Jefferson and 22nd. I'm guessing that's the side the ribbon cutting will be at. Sure would be nice if they cleared the tires or fixed the sidewalks or trimmed back the plants on the old Pruitt-Igoe side, since my walk there today was quite harrowing. 

This project always frustrated me in that it didn’t use any of the Pruitt-Igoe site, and instead tore down home adjacently north of there to have this campus. Now we have this fortress campus and a still vacant pruitt igoe site that could only be developed by something like this NGA project. Baffling and probably means that site will look like it does for a long time

Should start seeing more activity at the building now. Some have moved in, move ins in mass start middle of next month. 

911 Dispatch Facility on Thomas St Under Construction. Apartments designed by Trivers wrapped up further south (west of Jefferson Ave). 

dylank wrote: ↑

Dec 27, 2025

IMG_5095.jpegIMG_5094.jpeg911 Dispatch Facility on Thomas St Under Construction. Apartments designed by Trivers wrapped up further south (west of Jefferson Ave). 

Its nice that the apartments are not set back much of the sidewalk but they could have done a better job with them interacting with the street.  

What's the address of the apartment building?

Has there been any discussion of what will happen to the old GSA? that could be a great redevelopment opportunity on the river front.

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4:33 AM - Jan 22

Has there been any discussion of what will happen to the old GSA? that could be a great redevelopment opportunity on the river front.

There is a process for selling it. Federal agencies get first right of refusal then it works its way down the line. I haven’t heard anything personally on any interest. Unless the coast guard for some reason wants to expand I can’t really see any feds, or government in general wanting it.

Scott Air Force Base “owns” it. When I worked at the Civil Engineer Squadron (the ones that manage real property) we had early discussions about selling it, money would go to the bases maintenance budget. I’ve floated it as a data center to some people. It’s on water. It’s got plenty of capacity

Kosciusko is such a disaster urban renewal project, it’s incredible that at least Soulard survived the destruction of I-55 and Kosciusko. Should have been a premier old neighborhood on the river, instead it’s just junkyard scrapping and trucking storage, incredible we thought that was a good idea

I have pretty low hopes for the redevelopment because of that

They're now working on decommissioning the old office in Soulard. Not really sure what to do with the site. The Arsenal buildings could be a museum but the offices and parking lots I don't know. Surrounded by heavy industry and train yards, I'm not sure residential would be a good fit. I have no idea what industrial demand is like these days and if someone could use it for that but it'd be a fit based on the surrounding area.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... nd-st.html

It will be sold and the money will go towards Scott Air Force bases general maintenance budget

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8:24 PM - Mar 26

They're now working on decommissioning the old office in Soulard. Not really sure what to do with the site. The Arsenal buildings could be a museum but the offices and parking lots I don't know. Surrounded by heavy industry and train yards, I'm not sure residential would be a good fit. I have no idea what industrial demand is like these days and if someone could use it for that but it'd be a fit based on the surrounding area.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... nd-st.html

I will just say it.  Data Centers.    Most industrial and commercial development right now is being led by Data Centers.   

Yeesh we live in hell

I mean what else would this be used as? A museum makes no sense because it's not near anything. Call me a broken record but I'd rather a museum of any kind be put downtown instead of a cut off neighborhood far from transit access or other nodes of the city. This is kinda where id rather data centers be built if we are having them forced on us.

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A museum could be there because that's where the historic arsenal is lol i'm not just abstracting about where it might be good to have a museum. 

PeterXCV wrote:A museum could be there because that's where the historic arsenal is lol i'm not just abstracting about where it might be good to have a museum. 

A museum here would be very STL because very few people would go and it doesn't leverage anything else about the city. Would be a complete waste. Just like Rawlings.

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The building yearns to be used by Anheuser Busch as a brewery.

Kosciusko definitely one of our urban renewal atrocities. Makes anything beyond industrial almost impossible. Soulard and old Kosciusko combined would be one heck of a riverfront commercial district, which is what we are missing horribly in this city. Soulard is great but Kosciuskos mess makes Soulard not anywhere close to being connected to the river

I’d really like to get in the minds of people that really thought these decisions would be better for the future

It makes NGA reuse really tough

I’d probably prefer AB save Lemp or old Falstaff in Benton Park but without the Busch family, I’m skeptical of them taking many StL centric projects. Love to see it though


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delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

2:26 PM - Mar 27

Kosciusko definitely one of our urban renewal atrocities. Makes anything beyond industrial almost impossible. Soulard and old Kosciusko combined would be one heck of a riverfront commercial district, which is what we are missing horribly in this city. Soulard is great but Kosciuskos mess makes Soulard not anywhere close to being connected to the river

I’d really like to get in the minds of people that really thought these decisions would be better for the future

It makes NGA reuse really tough

I’d probably prefer AB save Lemp or old Falstaff in Benton Park but without the Busch family, I’m skeptical of them taking many StL centric projects. Love to see it though


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Mill Creek Valley would have been our version of Over The Rhine in Cincinnati. Kosciuskos would have been our version of the French Quarter. Very idiotic decisions indeed.

and I have read there was a 'China town' all be it small in an area where the Arch now stands

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5:39 PM - Mar 27

and I have read there was a 'China town' all be it small in an area where the Arch now stands

Actually Chinatown aka Hop Alley is where Busch Stadium is.

goat314 wrote:

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

2:26 PM - Mar 27

Kosciusko definitely one of our urban renewal atrocities. Makes anything beyond industrial almost impossible. Soulard and old Kosciusko combined would be one heck of a riverfront commercial district, which is what we are missing horribly in this city. Soulard is great but Kosciuskos mess makes Soulard not anywhere close to being connected to the river

I’d really like to get in the minds of people that really thought these decisions would be better for the future

It makes NGA reuse really tough

I’d probably prefer AB save Lemp or old Falstaff in Benton Park but without the Busch family, I’m skeptical of them taking many StL centric projects. Love to see it though


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Mill Creek Valley would have been our version of Over The Rhine in Cincinnati. Kosciuskos would have been our version of the French Quarter. Very idiotic decisions indeed.

When I see pictures of Mill Creek my stomach just drops. Literally would have been another Soulard right connecting the CWE and downtown. The pictures look like Back Bay in Boston, what were we thinking. And the development that replaced it is at best uninspiring. At least some economic activity came from it at times but an overall failure (and of course the racial component of losing an entire culture and community)

Kosciusko was replaced by just junkyards and shipping yards. My goodness, how idiotic

Then you go into the interstates dividing these neighborhoods from downtown (Soulard would be thought of like OTR if it wasn’t for 64) and dividing historic neighborhoods. Soulard/Lafayette Sq/Lasalle Park/Benton Park/Compton Heights/all the way to Tower Grove would end the take the cake as the most continuous historic district in the US if it wasn’t for that 44/55 interchange

Soulard is so siphoned off from everything and idk how we fix that.

The NGA space has such a huge parking lot in front of it. I would probably hope any reuse or redevelopment would include some new builds connecting it back to Broadway and the rest of neighborhood


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