Wouldn't it suck to be Memphis?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- 6,118
Maybe? But I'd sooner go to Memphis than most of its "peer" cities. Not to knock any of them in particular, mind. But . . . Memphis is not uncool.
You trying to take some heat off the Good Job KC thread?
The Nashville pictures are really quite cool. Love the library!
Regarding library visible in first above fisheye picture (the one with the pedimented baths of Caracalla right behind the courtyard):
. . . Holy crap, that thing's new! That's . . . maybe the best piece of neo-neo-classicism I've seen in, well, maybe ever. I suppose if I saw it in person I might feel differently, but it doesn't look like a cheap knock-off of a historic structure. I rather thought, like Kansas City's, it was an adaptation of a historic building. It is not. All new as of 2001.
My emotions are slightly mixed, since the building it replaced is also quite lovely. (And modernist.) But if you're going to neo a neo-paleo that's how you do it: sincerely, carefully, and with good materials. I guess I don't have too much room to talk, really, what with the music I've written.
. . . Holy crap, that thing's new! That's . . . maybe the best piece of neo-neo-classicism I've seen in, well, maybe ever. I suppose if I saw it in person I might feel differently, but it doesn't look like a cheap knock-off of a historic structure. I rather thought, like Kansas City's, it was an adaptation of a historic building. It is not. All new as of 2001.
My emotions are slightly mixed, since the building it replaced is also quite lovely. (And modernist.) But if you're going to neo a neo-paleo that's how you do it: sincerely, carefully, and with good materials. I guess I don't have too much room to talk, really, what with the music I've written.
- 8,904
Good for Nashville but I must admit I HATE having to go to Nashville for work conferences. If I have to go to one more country western event.....
- 8,904
- 2,430
^ Sometimes we fail to appreciate what we have
![]()
suck it, Nashville
suck it, Nashville
^Really would be cool if we could spin that sucker around to have it face the mall.
- 2,430
^ ooh, that would be sweet! I wonder what was there across from the Chestnut side before being cleared for the mall. I also assume an additional building existed across on Pine where the motor entrance for the Magestic is.
http://cb14.raimistdesign.com/wp-conten ... x300px.jpgSTLrainbow wrote: ↑Aug 11, 2017^ ooh, that would be sweet! I wonder what was there across from the Chestnut side before being cleared for the mall. I also assume an additional building existed across on Pine where the motor entrance for the Magestic is.
One of my To-Do items on my list of hypothetical design projects is to come up with something for the back of that building. Something contemporary yet monumental enough for the Gateway Mall.
Here's a vintage rendering by St. Louis' own Hugh Ferriss; still the greatest architectural illustrator of all time:
![]()
http://kemperartmuseum.wustl.edu/collec ... rtwork/554
http://kemperartmuseum.wustl.edu/collec ... rtwork/554
(Sorry for yet another off topic post but...) How did I not know Hugh Ferriss was from St. Louis??? For those of you not familiar, the above claim is 100% grounded. He was known to take such liberty with his renderings that developers would ask architects to go back and modify their plans to match Ferriss' rendering.
Tony Giarratana is at it again with a new proposal set to eclipse the AT&T Building in Downtown Nashville. According to the Business Journal, the building will rise at 600 Church Street on a park that has become a problem homeless wise...
No official renderings have been released but I hope this is a stunner. 505 was sure downsized from the Adrian Smith design and Signature Tower designs.
STORY: https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/n ... s-200.html
In exchange for Church Street Park, Giarratana would commit as much as $7 million to create a park elsewhere downtown, on land he would give to Metro, and to overhaul the look of Anne Dallas Dudley Boulevard, which borders Church Street Park. Giarratana also would oversee construction of an 11-story building downtown that would contain 100 to 150 low-income apartments and a services center for the homeless. Metro would fund construction but not pay Giarratana developer fees.
No official renderings have been released but I hope this is a stunner. 505 was sure downsized from the Adrian Smith design and Signature Tower designs.
STORY: https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/n ... s-200.html
- 1,290
It would appear that a somewhat heated and rather lengthy discussion has opened on SkyscraperPage over the past few days regarding the gentrification of Nashville and the iconoclastic nature of modern home design within the existing fabric of Nashville's inner neighborhoods.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=237195
Thought it was interesting to see the different takes on the subject as well as just how quickly the thread exploded. Should it be viewed as a cautionary tale for us here in STL or simply the ramblings of one who laments all the change and wishes things could "go back to the way they were"?
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=237195
Thought it was interesting to see the different takes on the subject as well as just how quickly the thread exploded. Should it be viewed as a cautionary tale for us here in STL or simply the ramblings of one who laments all the change and wishes things could "go back to the way they were"?
Well I just read all 16 pages of that...and wow. That really got off the rails...especially when they all dove head first into the racial stuff towards the end lol. Regarding the comparison to STL I don't think it's something I would worry about, at least in the City. Much of the City is covered by preservation overlays or historic districts that would keep the kind of unregulated growth in cities like Houston or Nashville in check. St. Louis is also likely a long way off from seeing that kind of growth, if it ever does.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2019It would appear that a somewhat heated and rather lengthy discussion has opened on SkyscraperPage over the past few days regarding the gentrification of Nashville and the iconoclastic nature of modern home design within the existing fabric of Nashville's inner neighborhoods.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=237195
Thought it was interesting to see the different takes on the subject as well as just how quickly the thread exploded. Should it be viewed as a cautionary tale for us here in STL or simply the ramblings of one who laments all the change and wishes things could "go back to the way they were"?
St. Louis also already has much of the infrastructure in place to do things right. Nearly all of the City and inner-ring suburbs have sidewalks, curbs, utilities, paved streets, and other stuff. Seems like a lot of the complaints with Nashville were the lack of those things as the city grew outward (utility poles in front yards, gravel streets, poor setbacks, front facing garages, etc, things that would largely be prohibited in St. Louis). Developers and architects in St. Louis are also likely going to build things that fit more in the current environment, and I think we'd all agree that St. Louis' built environment is far superior to Nashville or any other "sun-belt/southern" city.
That was more of a bash Nashville thread there lol.
- 1,290
You know, that is very true. I saw a lot of those pictures there when I first read the thread with the utility poles straight up being in the middle of someone's front yard and was quite... amused.The Mayor wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2019St. Louis also already has much of the infrastructure in place to do things right. Nearly all of the City and inner-ring suburbs have sidewalks, curbs, utilities, paved streets, and other stuff. Seems like a lot of the complaints with Nashville were the lack of those things as the city grew outward (utility poles in front yards, gravel streets, poor setbacks, front facing garages, etc, things that would largely be prohibited in St. Louis). Developers and architects in St. Louis are also likely going to build things that fit more in the current environment, and I think we'd all agree that St. Louis' built environment is far superior to Nashville or any other "sun-belt/southern" city.
For all the negatives associated with the loss of all the manufacturing, et al that decimated the city's population decades ago, the one positive aspect is that at least a lot of the existing infrastructure is still there. It may not be in the best condition currently, but... yeah, it'll probably be a lot easier for St. Louis to grow back into a larger population than almost all of its peer cities due to the simple fact that it already did have that population at some point.
Hopefully you're correct about developers here being somewhat more conscientious than Nashville (and other places) about fitting stuff into the built environment going forward. Maybe the slower pace of development here will help with that?
Some form based codes would help immensely on that front as well.
Tony Giarratana's next tower, The Paramount, was unveiled via billboard rendering on Christmas day with the tagline "make no small plans". 2 days ago, Chicago based Goettsch Partners, the architect, posted a clearer rendering, on Facebook, of the proposed building. The final height will be 65 floors and 750Ft making this the tallest building in Nashville and the state of Tennessee.
UrbanPlanet forum on this (beginning on page 19 where the billboard rendering was posted): https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/topi ... k/?page=19
Clearer Rendering...
![]()
UrbanPlanet forum on this (beginning on page 19 where the billboard rendering was posted): https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/topi ... k/?page=19
Clearer Rendering...
- 3,762
sorry, but i just don't understand the Nashville hype. yeah, they've got some shiny new high-rises but everything else is pretty unimpressive, IMO. (i do like the spire on the new Vanderbilt dorm, but i don't get the weird stonework at the corners.)
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245097
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245097
Makes me appreciate Wash. U.'s execution of collegiate gothic when they really go for it - Brauer Hall, Green Hall, the external facing portions of McKelvey Hall, etc....urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2020sorry, but i just don't understand the Nashville hype. yeah, they've got some shiny new high-rises but everything else is pretty unimpressive, IMO. (i do like the spire on the new Vanderbilt dorm, but i don't get the weird stonework at the corners.)
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245097
- 3,762
^ yeah, they're solid. i wouldn't mind a spire, though. something like the Vanderbilt example or a smaller version of Pitt's Cathedral of Learning.
I'm with you. Nashville does nothing for me. In fact most of the "hot" cities don't. There is very little historical urban density in the south/west/sunbelt. I feel outside of Chicago and St. Louis (maybe Pittsburgh and Cincy too) most Midwest cities are the same way. Some cool development downtown...and then just ugly sprawl from there.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2020sorry, but i just don't understand the Nashville hype. yeah, they've got some shiny new high-rises but everything else is pretty unimpressive, IMO. (i do like the spire on the new Vanderbilt dorm, but i don't get the weird stonework at the corners.)
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245097
- 3,762
^ i even find some of the smaller Midwestern cities like Des Moines and Tulsa to be more visually interesting than Nashville, though. something about that Midwest aesthetic that i find appealing, i guess.
I spent a few days in Nashville last year. It's definitely got a boomtown vibe; young people everywhere, new buildings going up everywhere you look, a sense of confidence in the air. It does seem to be missing something, though. It just doesn't have a soul. It felt like it was still under construction, not quite ready for opening day.
- 2,053
I would say the proximity to the Appalachian Mountain Range is pretty nice...