Chris_on_Kingsbury wrote:Aug 09, 2008. Insulation and exterior walls and the tower-frame,
Thanks for the pic, Chris. The Church's Chicken parking lot (from where the picture was taken) really detracts from The Loop.
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Thanks for the pic, Chris. The Church's Chicken parking lot (from where the picture was taken) really detracts from The Loop.
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Replacing the Churches Chicken lot, I can imagine a six-storey office block, with some retail, semi-circular in shape, as it faces the intersection, and set back just enough to not completely obsure the stained glass windows of the church to its right.
A shape like this will allow drivers to see the Moonrise and the Pageant when approching northbound on Skinker. (Just imagination at this point.)
A shape like this will allow drivers to see the Moonrise and the Pageant when approching northbound on Skinker. (Just imagination at this point.)
Plus it would be nice for the AT&T building to be replaced with office and/or residential space. IMHO it's a bigger eyesore than the Church's.
Website: The Moonrise Hotel
The Moonrise Hotel is set to open in 2009. Located in the Delmar Loop entertainment district, this seven-story, 124-room room building next to The Pageant theater will feature a comprehensive collection of moon-related trinkets, including a ten-foot revolving moon on the roof. A high-class restaurant, The Eclipse, will occupy the first floor.
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Photo source, VanishingSTL, on flickr
The Moonrise Hotel is set to open in 2009. Located in the Delmar Loop entertainment district, this seven-story, 124-room room building next to The Pageant theater will feature a comprehensive collection of moon-related trinkets, including a ten-foot revolving moon on the roof. A high-class restaurant, The Eclipse, will occupy the first floor.
Photo source, VanishingSTL, on flickr
Photo source, VanishingSTL, on flickr
Photo source, VanishingSTL, on flickr
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This hotel will be a license to print money. The area has needed one for 50 years. Bout time. Edwards will be richer than the Busch family by the time this thing opens, what with all the Wash U parents staying in it.
You mean like Howard Stern?what with all the Wash U parents staying in it.
Anyway, what makes you think that WashU parents would prefer staying very closeby in the scary city, over staying a bit farther away in a much nicer hotel and a much nicer area (Clayton)? It's still more than a 5 min. walk to campus from the Moonrise.
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jlblues wrote:Anyway, what makes you think that WashU parents would prefer staying very closeby in the scary city, over staying a bit farther away in a much nicer hotel and a much nicer area (Clayton)? It's still more than a 5 min. walk to campus from the Moonrise.
Most of them being from out of town, they won't necessarily know the area - they'll most likely just consider the hotel's proximity to the campus when booking their reservation.
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I see this complementing the Pagent more than anything else.
Clayton is nicer than the Loop? What? Maybe they should just stay in Westport Plaza. It's also more than a 5 minute walk, and really "nice".
That depends on what the info packet/website for new students says about the area. If the past is any indication, at the very least Washington University isn't going to go out of their way to put a positive spin on anything east of Skinker, if they don't actively discourage students and parents from exploring the city.DeBaliviere wrote:Most of them being from out of town, they won't necessarily know the area - they'll most likely just consider the hotel's proximity to the campus when booking their reservation.
Except that Westport Plaza is far away, Clayton is not. And there is nothing "nice" about Westport Plaza. Seriously, which area do you think your average upper middle-class to wealthy 50-something parent would prefer, The Loop, or downtown Clayton?Wabash wrote:Clayton is nicer than the Loop? What? Maybe they should just stay in Westport Plaza. It's also more than a 5 minute walk, and really "nice".
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One student from overseas that I know was booked by WU at the Residence Inn by Marriot at the Galleria upon arrival from Europe. That hotel is close to the Galleria Metro station and she could take the Metrolink down to Skinker station.
The Moonrise hotel would only be a 15 minute walk from the Skinker station, which is probably about the same as waiting for the Metrolink and riding down from the hotel with the wonderful view of the Galleria.
The exiting role for the Moonrise hotel will be hosting visitors from other cities who want to fly to St. Louis specifically for a visit and a stay at the Loop; the Loop's going to become a national draw.
The Moonrise hotel would only be a 15 minute walk from the Skinker station, which is probably about the same as waiting for the Metrolink and riding down from the hotel with the wonderful view of the Galleria.
The exiting role for the Moonrise hotel will be hosting visitors from other cities who want to fly to St. Louis specifically for a visit and a stay at the Loop; the Loop's going to become a national draw.
^Right. That is the WU mindset, and it's not going to change any time soon. They will continue to "encourage" visitors to stay in the Clayton and Richmond Heights hotels over The Moonrise, unless a dedicated shuttle from The Moonrise to campus is provided. They don't want visitors walking down Skinker or to/from the Delmar Metro station. They want to avoid the high probability (their perception) of an "incident" involving one or more of their visitors.
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or they must want their visitors staying in the nicer/safer of the 2 areas... Pretty simple really.
This is not a knock against the loop, I love the loop, but it's simply not as TONY as Clayton.
You also don't have to transfer at FP if you stay along the Shrewberry line.
This is not a knock against the loop, I love the loop, but it's simply not as TONY as Clayton.
You also don't have to transfer at FP if you stay along the Shrewberry line.
^Shrewberry? 
Yes, but if the CWE had a dozen upscale hotels and shopping right next to the CWE Metro station, WU would still encourage visitors to stay in Clayton/RH. I could dig out some of the "prospective student" material I received from WU a few years ago that I kept for just this reason. There was a ton of info about shopping, restaurants, and lodging west of campus, but the only mentions of anything east of the main campus were Forest Park, downtown, and the medical campus, along with a lot of warnings about, paraphrasing, "being aware of your surroundings" anywhere east of Skinker and north of Delmar.
Gee, maybe that's why I have met dozens of WU students and recent grads that can count on one hand the number of times they've been anywhere in the city outside of the Loop, CWE, and downtown?
Yes, but if the CWE had a dozen upscale hotels and shopping right next to the CWE Metro station, WU would still encourage visitors to stay in Clayton/RH. I could dig out some of the "prospective student" material I received from WU a few years ago that I kept for just this reason. There was a ton of info about shopping, restaurants, and lodging west of campus, but the only mentions of anything east of the main campus were Forest Park, downtown, and the medical campus, along with a lot of warnings about, paraphrasing, "being aware of your surroundings" anywhere east of Skinker and north of Delmar.
Gee, maybe that's why I have met dozens of WU students and recent grads that can count on one hand the number of times they've been anywhere in the city outside of the Loop, CWE, and downtown?
In regards to jblues comment about students' exposure, I don't think that is just here. As a Xavier grad we were highly cautioned about roaming the off campus neighborhood (near Cincinnati suburb Norwood) as well as venturing into the UC campus neighborhood. Not to mention Over-the-Rhine and certain parts of downtown that were deemed unsafe.
I didn't explore the details of Cincinnati not so much because it was unsafe, but because as a college student, so many of your needs are met without leaving campus. Throw in busy class schedules, work loads, and not having a car and your options are automatically limited (circumnavigated here by Metro). I know plenty of my friends went downtown for a Reds game, had drinks once on Mt Adams, and went to Hyde Park a couple of times throughout the 4 years and that was it. If WU students are regularly spending time in the Loop, CWE, and downtown, I'd say they are getting good exposure to some highlights of the city. As far as parents go, it just depends on the type of family. Some of our parents stayed downtown at Fountain Square for the chance to see it and the stadiums, etc. Some stayed 20 minutes out in the northern suburbs for a variety of reasons. Others stayed in the hotel down the street from campus (despite it or the neighborhood offering very little) just because it was close.
Compared to my experience (and I think I can speak for my group of friends as well) at a similarly located university in a similar sized town, I'd say WU students take better advantage of and have better access to the culture of the city, even if it is only via a few neighborhoods.
I didn't explore the details of Cincinnati not so much because it was unsafe, but because as a college student, so many of your needs are met without leaving campus. Throw in busy class schedules, work loads, and not having a car and your options are automatically limited (circumnavigated here by Metro). I know plenty of my friends went downtown for a Reds game, had drinks once on Mt Adams, and went to Hyde Park a couple of times throughout the 4 years and that was it. If WU students are regularly spending time in the Loop, CWE, and downtown, I'd say they are getting good exposure to some highlights of the city. As far as parents go, it just depends on the type of family. Some of our parents stayed downtown at Fountain Square for the chance to see it and the stadiums, etc. Some stayed 20 minutes out in the northern suburbs for a variety of reasons. Others stayed in the hotel down the street from campus (despite it or the neighborhood offering very little) just because it was close.
Compared to my experience (and I think I can speak for my group of friends as well) at a similarly located university in a similar sized town, I'd say WU students take better advantage of and have better access to the culture of the city, even if it is only via a few neighborhoods.
Blzhrpmd2 wrote: As a Xavier grad we were highly cautioned about roaming the off campus neighborhood (near Cincinnati suburb Norwood) as well as venturing into the UC campus neighborhood.
Was this because the UC area is a dangerous neighborhood or just dangerous for Xavier students?
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Blzhrpmd2 wrote: As a Xavier grad we were highly cautioned about roaming the off campus neighborhood (near Cincinnati suburb Norwood) as well as venturing into the UC campus neighborhood.
That is ironic to read as I sit at home on Wayland Ave.
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Here at UT (The University of Texas at Austin), we are given warning about venturing into East Austin (read low income minority majority neighborhoods across the highway) and walking alone on busy roads at night like Gudalupe on the university's western border.
In my own program professors have stated that even muscular and 240 pounds guys have been knocked to the ground on Guadalupe (major and busy road with plenty of eyes on the street and sidewalk).
Being in the center city, even in Austin, you have criminals who are attracted to susceptible homeless, students, tourists, and anyone shopping along these districts.
Believe it or not, but the university's girth actually creates a psychologcial barrier that keeps many of the suspicious people out partly because they quickly realize that they are out of place as everyone's eyes focus on them.
The best thing for SLU to do is maintain its campus and construct mixed-use buildings along the perimeter that create activity on the street and extend the presence and psychological reach of the university as a safe haven and community partner instead of a giant.
In my own program professors have stated that even muscular and 240 pounds guys have been knocked to the ground on Guadalupe (major and busy road with plenty of eyes on the street and sidewalk).
Being in the center city, even in Austin, you have criminals who are attracted to susceptible homeless, students, tourists, and anyone shopping along these districts.
Believe it or not, but the university's girth actually creates a psychologcial barrier that keeps many of the suspicious people out partly because they quickly realize that they are out of place as everyone's eyes focus on them.
The best thing for SLU to do is maintain its campus and construct mixed-use buildings along the perimeter that create activity on the street and extend the presence and psychological reach of the university as a safe haven and community partner instead of a giant.
Yes, but UT only discourages people from entering certain sketchy areas and warns about areas of regular criminal activity, they aren't encouraging people to avoid an entire city. It'd be similar to UT discouraging it's students from going to 6th Street, Red River, or anywhere downtown off-campus.
And we were talking about Wash U, not SLU.
And we were talking about Wash U, not SLU.
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Blzhrpmd2 wrote:In regards to jblues comment about students' exposure, I don't think that is just here. As a Xavier grad we were highly cautioned about roaming the off campus neighborhood (near Cincinnati suburb Norwood) as well as venturing into the UC campus neighborhood. Not to mention Over-the-Rhine and certain parts of downtown that were deemed unsafe.
It's funny you mention that. The first time we went to visit my sister at Xavier, we followed the directions provided by the university, which basically took us totally out of the way so as to avoid any sketchy areas (which weren't even that sketchy), and it took forever!
^I believe Cincinnati suffers from pretty much the same suburban mindset that St. Louis does.
