(See page 5)jlblues wrote:Anyone have renderings of this project?
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Saint Francis Medical Center in Cape Girardeau called. It wants its expansion plans back. 
Seriously, I'm holding out hope that this will look much nicer than the renderings suggest. It wouldn't take much to make it look better.
Seriously, I'm holding out hope that this will look much nicer than the renderings suggest. It wouldn't take much to make it look better.
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I'm starting to wonder why anyone would fund/subsidize a hotel of this size right now. As a small "boutique" hotel it made sense: there is certainly a small crowd of people each week who comes to St. Louis to see a concert at the Pageant, visit Wash U., or just hang out near the Loop.
But another big hotel with meeting rooms and the whole works? It will only survive by cannibalizing business from existing hotels. What is the point?
But another big hotel with meeting rooms and the whole works? It will only survive by cannibalizing business from existing hotels. What is the point?
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^ I disagree - even if the design isn't great, the location is unique and it's really not that large. This hotel will be popular. One can always argue that any new business is only canabalizing other businesses - yep, that's the way it always works. There are finite customers and they have to come from somewhere. This doesn't mean nothing new should be built.
I'm starting to wonder why anyone would fund/subsidize a hotel of this size right now.
Maybe because everything Joe Edwards touches turns to gold.
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^ Interesting - I was just having this conversation with someone else the other day. It's taken Joe Edwards literally decades to get to where his is now, and produce the success he now enjoys. From a distance it seems inevitable or simple, but it's never a sure thing and it's always a long road. Kudos to Joe, but I'm sure he would disagree with your statement!
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He couldnt get Webster Groves to do what he wanted. So everything he does does not turn to gold and not everyone is willing to throw cash at him. Poor Webster though, now they have a giant vacant lot staring right across the street from city hall.
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Grover wrote:^ I disagree - even if the design isn't great, the location is unique and it's really not that large. This hotel will be popular. One can always argue that any new business is only canabalizing other businesses - yep, that's the way it always works. There are finite customers and they have to come from somewhere. This doesn't mean nothing new should be built.
But it IS an argument against the use of public monies. My recollection is that he's building the hotel with New Markets tax credits from the city.
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wheelscomp wrote:Poor Webster though, now they have a giant vacant lot staring right across the street from city hall.
I get the feeling Webster's always gonna have that vacant lot across from City Hall. I'm not quite sure what some of the folks there want.
I have seen some sketch up models rendered better by students!! The portion that extends South doesn't look too bad (with the exception of the hideous roof structure), but I really would hope that the horizontal banding is not a feature of the realized building. Or, at the least, if they do intend on banding (whether material change or color), I hope the bands aren't as visually stark as they are now.
It would be nice if they had take a cue from the Hearst Tower in New York. While not of the same scale, there still was the possibility of something new and modern rising from a maintained, historic facade.
It just seems a shame and a missed opportunity that the loop, one of the most progressive areas of the city, will be stuck with a bland, suburban hotel on such a prominent corner.
It would be nice if they had take a cue from the Hearst Tower in New York. While not of the same scale, there still was the possibility of something new and modern rising from a maintained, historic facade.
It just seems a shame and a missed opportunity that the loop, one of the most progressive areas of the city, will be stuck with a bland, suburban hotel on such a prominent corner.
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I actually think the "banding" may be the only thing that ties the project together. It's just the brick pattern from the front building and not as dark as in the rendering.
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i think lighting and glass might alter some perceptions of the final product...for better or worse. i think i might have built something slightly taller up to the curb in between the funeral home and the adjacent building, only beefing up the rear of the funeral home to its own hight or slightly higher...and it being an adjacent restauraunt/club/lounge. of course this isn't super creative, or as risky...i'm just a "repaired" streetwall junky. all in all, i'm just happy to see continued growth of the east loop...
Soooo...there is going to be a restaurant and bar in this place according to the BJ article. That brings up some interesting possibilites.
Maybe Joe could make a theme out of it? A nice upscale BBQ rib joint in the funeral home?
Maybe a martini bar in the basement? In that case, I already have a name for it - The Embalming Room.
Maybe Joe could make a theme out of it? A nice upscale BBQ rib joint in the funeral home?
Maybe a martini bar in the basement? In that case, I already have a name for it - The Embalming Room.
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Tuesday night 12/18,
Demolition, or an unexpected collapse? There was no protection (plywood) above the archway, and the brick debris are just strewn around.
Or is the plan to demolish the funeral home, save the good bits, and reassemble the complete complex with a uniform brick?
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Demolition, or an unexpected collapse? There was no protection (plywood) above the archway, and the brick debris are just strewn around.
Or is the plan to demolish the funeral home, save the good bits, and reassemble the complete complex with a uniform brick?
Does anyone have any news on this project?
The entire single-story portion of the funeral home is now gone and there are major holes in the two-story portion.
Did plans emerge prior to demolition that just weren't published? Or did they encountered unexpected structural problems with the existing funeral home after they began demolition?
Anyone know what's going on?
The entire single-story portion of the funeral home is now gone and there are major holes in the two-story portion.
Did plans emerge prior to demolition that just weren't published? Or did they encountered unexpected structural problems with the existing funeral home after they began demolition?
Anyone know what's going on?
I remember reading an article/post...somewhere back in 9 pages of the thread...said they were preserving only the façade and first 15 feet of the building.
It kind of looks like a building on the north side after the brick wranglers got to it, but I can't imagine anyone would be that bold.
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yidnaMU wrote:I remember reading an article/post...somewhere back in 9 pages of the thread...said they were preserving only the façade and first 15 feet of the building.
Edwards is actually demolishing the Jones Funeral Home building and then rebuilding the front elevation with 15-feet returns on each side.
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ecoabsence wrote:yidnaMU wrote:I remember reading an article/post...somewhere back in 9 pages of the thread...said they were preserving only the façade and first 15 feet of the building.
Edwards is actually demolishing the Jones Funeral Home building and then rebuilding the front elevation with 15-feet returns on each side.
thank you, i was wondering...