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PostMar 15, 2024#1726

CityPark alone is gonna carry the burden for cleanup of springs that were polluted half a century ago.  That's BS.  Even if you did all professional sports venues in the city you could generate equivalent income with 1/3 or less the tax.

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PostMar 15, 2024#1727

Drivers and industry got a discount for a long time, and we're left holding the bag.

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PostMar 15, 2024#1728

quincunx wrote:
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Drivers and industry got a discount for a long time, and we're left holding the bag.
Cleanup has to be paid for regardless, but dropping it all on CityPark is nuts.

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PostMar 15, 2024#1729

Why? CityPark is owned by a family whose vast fortune is derived directly from the autocentrism which caused this pollution.

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PostMar 15, 2024#1730

He makes it sound as if “drivers” are some minority and that the rest of us are paying for it when drivers are like 90% of us

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PostMar 15, 2024#1731

So can someone explain to me why I need to be pissed off at CITY SC and the Taylors?

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PostMar 15, 2024#1732

dweebe wrote:So can someone explain to me why I need to be pissed off at CITY SC and the Taylors?
You don’t.

PostMar 15, 2024#1733

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Why? CityPark is owned by a family whose vast fortune is derived directly from the autocentrism which caused this pollution.
There are numerous fuel tanks downtown that contributed to the pollution that aren’t related to cars at all. Such as the train related fuel tanks very near to the stadium.

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PostMar 20, 2024#1734

More sites near soccer stadium offered for sale
Two more sites are for sale in Downtown West, near the soccer stadium, and could make for a redevelopment opportunity.
They're about half a mile from the CityPark Major League Soccer stadium that opened last year, at 1917 Delmar Blvd., and 1900 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.

And they're owned by businesses associated with Kansas City-based Abbott Properties, the owner of several other full city blocks near the stadium that went on the market last month. No asking price is being publicly posted for the properties. The Delmar property was appraised by the city assessor at $319,260, and the Martin Luther King property was appraised at $37,534, city records show.
The two newest properties offered for sale, which together comprise about three-quarters of a city block, have some vacant space and a few buildings, including one historic former candy factory, said broker Garen Lafser of Salient Realty, which is serving as the broker for all the Abbott-owned sites.
The new sites total about 2.07 acres and have about 51,000 square feet of buildings, according to the marketing brochure. A three-story brick building, the historic former Jack Rabbit Candy Co. factory, occupies part of the site and could be redeveloped for a new use, Lafser said. The structure is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The site at 1900 MLK has a one-story warehouse that was occupied as recently as 2018, but would not be considered a historic building, Lafser said.
The part of the block that’s not owned by Abbott is the current location of Fritz Brothers Cutlery, a knife and cutlery supplier that owns its building.
Abbot Properties purchased the sites around 2018, along with the other sites purchased around the same time, with the intent on redeveloping them, Lafser said. That project was stopped amid the Covid-19 pandemic.

A number of new apartment projects and mixed-use developments have opened or are in the works in the blocks around CityPark, which a group of developers in the area have sought to rename as a new neighborhood district called City Commons. Among the projects that have already opened, the largest is Memphis-based Development Services Group's $130 million conversion of the historic Butler Brothers warehouse into more than 400 apartments called The Victor. St. Louis-based AHM Group plans a series of apartment and office projects that could total more than $200 million in development.
In what might be the area's biggest remaining opportunity for redevelopment, two sets of properties that make up four full city blocks went up for sale last month from Abbott. The land, a total of about 8 contiguous acres separated by streets, is mostly vacant and used as parking lots. One of the sites, at 2201 Delmar Blvd., has an industrial factory that will be vacated next year and could be reused or demolished.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/03/20/real-estate-properties-sale-downtown-west-stadium.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_5&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

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PostMar 21, 2024#1735

^Dreaming/Remembering that Denis said the MLS group had big ideas for midtown... 🤔

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PostOct 02, 2024#1736

I think there is a Citypark ballpark village type of development in it’s infancy forming

2315 and 2345 (this is the building west of 2315 and up on jefferson) sold last week and I think it could be the same buyer or under same umbrella .   The properties marked X are for sale too
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PostOct 02, 2024#1737

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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I think there is a Citypark ballpark village type of development in it’s infancy forming

2315 and 2345 (this is the building west of 2315 and up on jefferson) sold last week and I think it could be the same buyer or under same umbrella .   The properties marked X are for sale too
welli would hope its not a ballpark village concept.  I would hope its more of a neighborhood. You know midrise multifamily with street facing retail.  You know boring but highly functional.  We do not need another BPV and even if we did i would point to union station as the natural fit.

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PostOct 02, 2024#1738

^Agreed - give me a bunch of 4-8 story full block brick apartment complexes with retail like 1014 Spruce

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PostOct 02, 2024#1739

Until I see renderings I’m going to assume someone is land banking. Honestly, I’ve been pretty disappointed with development around the stadium thus far. Hoping better rates get projects moving.

I was hoping at least a Pear Tree remodel…

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PostOct 02, 2024#1740

Buyer of 2315 Pine is 2315 Pine LLC (registered 9/18) paid cash $1,388,746 on 9/23 & registered agent of the LLC is a Thompson Coburn attorney. TC has a long term relationship with Enterprise. (And I assume 2345 Pine LLC is the new buyer of 2345 Pine) Sleuth level: undefeated

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PostOct 02, 2024#1741

Waiting with excitement.  Coupled with the AHM projects, could be a big win.

That said, also, quite a sour taste after the Olive demos.  So, not holding out a ton of hope.

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PostOct 02, 2024#1742

As of now the team owns the 2 in red, 2315 and 2345 Pine. The ones in green as for sale and the purple I suspect will also be for sale
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PostOct 02, 2024#1743

It'd be nice if the hotel on the Wells campus kicked off.  Also, was there talk Drury doing something with the Pear Tree Inn and the adjacent single story (?) garage?  Seems like there would be a lot of potential with those sites.

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PostOct 02, 2024#1744

dbInSouthCity wrote:Buyer of 2315 Pine is 2315 Pine LLC (registered 9/18) paid cash $1,388,746 on 9/23 & registered agent of the LLC is a Thompson Coburn attorney. TC has a long term relationship with Enterprise. (And I assume 2345 Pine LLC is the new buyer of 2345 Pine) Sleuth level: undefeated
What does this actually indicate? If anything?


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PostOct 02, 2024#1745

The team is the buyer. And they’re going to keep buying for a development between Jefferson and the stadium

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PostOct 02, 2024#1746

^ Exactly nothing more or nothing less which for all intents and purposes means land banking until an actual permit is pulled and boots are on the ground to build something.   Renderings to me are absolutely meaningless indication and nothing more than an owner want to give someone a feel good feeling at minimal cost to themselves.

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PostOct 03, 2024#1747

dredger wrote:
Oct 02, 2024
^ Exactly nothing more or nothing less which for all intents and purposes means land banking until an actual permit is pulled and boots are on the ground to build something.   Renderings to me are absolutely meaningless indication and nothing more than an owner want to give someone a feel good feeling at minimal cost to themselves.
I’m somewhat in the same boat. I’ve gotten excited too many times for things to end up being nothing or just land banked for a long time. I do hope they are more motivated than other spots

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PostOct 03, 2024#1748

I think this is just in it’s infancy and a 3-5 year thing, not 6-18 month thing

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PostOct 03, 2024#1749

Economic conditions have to be near perfect to build something new and substantial in a no-growth market.

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PostOct 03, 2024#1750

whitherSTL wrote:Economic conditions have to be near perfect to build something new and substantial in a no-growth market.
Downtown West isn’t a no growth market.


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