really? i would have assumed they wanted to maximize ticket sales revenue.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2023Jamaica-Nicaragua game should be an interesting test of the market. Those nationalities aren't exactly broadly represented in the St. louis market so just how soccer mad are we...? Of course the USMNT game will sell out in about the time it takes to click a mouse. Great that we got two games.
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M18: 6:30 PM Jamaica vs Nicaragua - CITYPARK, St. Louis, MO
M19: 8:30 PM Winner Prelims 9 vs United States - CITYPARK, St. Louis, MO
M19: 8:30 PM Winner Prelims 9 vs United States - CITYPARK, St. Louis, MO
Nice write-up from The Guardian for the team and other stuff.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... louis-city
MLS debutants are supposed to struggle. Don’t tell red-hot St Louis City
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... louis-city
MLS debutants are supposed to struggle. Don’t tell red-hot St Louis City
...The fans are playing their part too. CityPark, opened for the start of the season, has sold out for every home game so far. But the venue is much more than just a soccer stadium: it is a downtown pillar situated within sight of the city’s iconic Gateway Arch. The club has made itself an unavoidable part of St Louis as a whole.
“The moment I stepped out I had goosebumps,” said Löwen, talking about the atmosphere for St Louis City’s MLS home opener. “You could tell the whole city was waiting for this moment for so long.”
Too long, in the view of many who argue St Louis, a long-established soccer hotbed, should have had an MLS team well before now.
“I’m part of three generations of St Louis soccer players and it’s awesome to see our city recognised on the national stage as the soccer capital that it is,” says Annie Lee Baldwin of the Saint Louis City Punks supporters group....
I timed the light at Market and 22nd. The Market Street traffic got 1:45 of green, during which time 26 cars passed. This was a bit after 4pm, which I'd count as rush hour.
I always thought our ultra-long light times were some kind of remnant of the 50s, when streets were full of cars. But we're still building them. I pressed the walk button at the very start to cross Market.
I never see lights this long in other cities. Do you guys not stand at our long lights wondering why? And thinking about how much of a 30-minute walk is spent standing so cars don't have to slow down.
I'm no traffic engineer, but long lights seem antithetical to a good urban environment.
I always thought our ultra-long light times were some kind of remnant of the 50s, when streets were full of cars. But we're still building them. I pressed the walk button at the very start to cross Market.
I never see lights this long in other cities. Do you guys not stand at our long lights wondering why? And thinking about how much of a 30-minute walk is spent standing so cars don't have to slow down.
I'm no traffic engineer, but long lights seem antithetical to a good urban environment.
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Good to see Tony putting my tweets into a longer story. You’ll see more of this next week when the April crime data comes out for downtown and downtown west.
Of all the kool-aid drinking over on KCRag… apparently City Park is anti-urban, not pedestrian friendly, and worse than the average stadium location.
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What the hell are they talking about? Are you registered on whatever forum this is and ask them?
All of their sports venues are in the suburbs and surrounded by acres and acres of parking and they say Citypark isn’t urban?
I feel there has a been a bit of a push lately, even from some STL urbanites (is that a word?), that sports stadiums shouldn’t be in the city because it isn’t good for the city. Not saying it is widespread but I’ve seen the comments.
I’ll admit I was shocked when I first saw it, since I feel like the same people complained about them being proposed in the suburbs also.
There are a few posters on that site who would be happy to see STL wiped off the map but most are not like that.addxb2 wrote: ↑May 22, 2023Of all the kool-aid drinking over on KCRag… apparently City Park is anti-urban, not pedestrian friendly, and worse than the average stadium location.
Chris S had quite the reply to the poster you quoted:
^Compared to what the site was before, City SC's stadium is a massive improvement and a damn good urban stadium.
The east setback (from 20th) was mandated as that plaza is a public park. It could've only been developed on if a citywide vote were taken. Additionally, a natural spring was found on the eastern side, likely leading to the above street level plaza (elevation changes likely played the biggest role though). The south setback, from Market Street, is included for the Brickline Greenway and lush landscaping. The worst side of the stadium is Olive Street.
The stadium and training facility lie within what was the largest remnant of the unbuilt Highway 755 (North-South Distributor). While I think the practice fields are a waste of space, it's far better than a surface parking lot and much more economical for the team.
If the stadium still isn't urban enough, wait a few years. There are several projects planned nearby that'll take a quiet part of downtown and turn it into one of most vibrant. The largest of which, the Butler Brothers Building redevelopment, is nearing completion.
The urban condition City SC's stadium is in is infinitely more favorable to pedestrians than Children's Mercy Park and offers game attendees a multi-modal option to get there and offers many bars to hang out at before and after games. We can debate this any day but saying "The STL stadium was getting pushed hard as an urban stadium/oasis but it’s just as bad if not worse" is nothing short of disingenuous and screams jealously.
KC will have its day to shine but for now, let's take notes on how City SC did their Stadium and take notes on what can be improved.
There are also a few convinced St. Louis is actively being removed from the map and will be gone before the end of the decade.pdm_ad wrote: There are a few posters on that site who would be happy to see STL wiped off the map…
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Are people in Kansas City this depressingly miserable.
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Is CITYPARK perfect? No. But Jesus is that insecurity showing through or what?framer wrote: ↑May 22, 2023^Just very insecure.
These are their sports venues.
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What do you mean? Children's Mercy Park is in a prime location right next to an Applebee's and Hooters. Plus, look at all that parking to accommodate everyone who has to drive at least 20 minutes from the KC urban core to get there. CITYPARK doesn't have any of that.
Checkmate, STLosers.
What do you mean? Children's Mercy Park is in a prime location right next to an Applebee's and Hooters. Plus, look at all that parking to accommodate everyone who has to drive at least 20 minutes from the KC urban core to get there. CITYPARK doesn't have any of that.
Checkmate, STLosers.
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I quite like the shared parking of Arrowhead and Kaufman but I am biased as I’ve been to many tailgates there and was a fan of those teams before moving here. Totally understand the shift to a downtown ballpark though and I’d be happy if they stayed or moved.dweebe wrote:Is CITYPARK perfect? No. But Jesus is that insecurity showing through or what?framer wrote: ↑May 22, 2023^Just very insecure.
These are their sports venues.
Mercy Park though would be like one of our sports teams residing in the Chesterfield outlet/valley area. Thankfully that isn’t the case as I much prefer our teams next to metro so I don’t have to pay for parking or worry about non sober drivers.
I'm not going to knock Arrowhead too much. As much as an urbanist as I am/we are, you cannot knock their epic tailgate scene. Yes it is horribly auto-centric, but tailgating before a Chiefs game really is a bucket list type item.LArchitecture wrote: ↑May 22, 2023I quite like the shared parking of Arrowhead and Kaufman but I am biased as I’ve been to many tailgates there and was a fan of those teams before moving here. Totally understand the shift to a downtown ballpark though and I’d be happy if they stayed or moved.dweebe wrote:Is CITYPARK perfect? No. But Jesus is that insecurity showing through or what?framer wrote: ↑May 22, 2023^Just very insecure.
These are their sports venues.
Mercy Park though would be like one of our sports teams residing in the Chesterfield outlet/valley area. Thankfully that isn’t the case as I much prefer our teams next to metro so I don’t have to pay for parking or worry about non sober drivers.
The inferiority complex is definitely strong with those people.
To be fair to KC folks, in their mind “pedestrian friendly” probably just means having a clear path to walk from the parking lot to their destination. Nothing about that city is urban in the least.
Meanwhile this is how City SC fans get to the game:
The view from Philly:
The top 10 Major League Soccer stadiums to visit
https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/best-ml ... utType=amp
The top 10 Major League Soccer stadiums to visit
https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/best-ml ... utType=amp
(Stadiums with good public transit get high marks here. But if you’re a Union fan reading this, you know how much Subaru Park is missing it.)
4. CityPark, St. Louis City SC
MLS’s newest home shot straight up the charts when the league’s newest team kicked off this year. It’s got 22,500-seats, a lot of them close to the field, and a flat roof traps the noise. The stadium is on the western edge of downtown, with public transit and lots of bars nearby, and a view of the Gateway Arch from some of the stands.
The clincher is St. Louis’ century of American soccer history, producing legendary players from Harry Keough and Frank Borghi to Tim Ream and Becky Sauerbrunn. Few American cities can match that, and the team and the stadium aren’t shy about celebrating it. As they should.
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There's a big anti STL element here in KC - I am in the world renowned wannabe suburban Dallas land of Overland Park for now surrounded by McMansions and identical lifestyle centers. I think since Ferguson/Rams leaving and Mahomes arriving they try and look down their nose at us which I hear all the time. KCrag captures that well I would say. TSC is an isolated wasteland, about as car centric as you'll find and most people here want to keep the status quo at Arrowhead.
Was very pleasing to beat them heavily the other night as the pesky new expansion team.
Was very pleasing to beat them heavily the other night as the pesky new expansion team.
I do my best to spew the truth and stir the pot on the forums of the cities I call home. Could CityPark have been better? Absolutely. But it is a million times better than what it replaced and that to me is the most important thing.pdm_ad wrote: ↑May 22, 2023Chris S had quite the reply to the poster you quoted:^Compared to what the site was before, City SC's stadium is a massive improvement and a damn good urban stadium.
The east setback (from 20th) was mandated as that plaza is a public park. It could've only been developed on if a citywide vote were taken. Additionally, a natural spring was found on the eastern side, likely leading to the above street level plaza (elevation changes likely played the biggest role though). The south setback, from Market Street, is included for the Brickline Greenway and lush landscaping. The worst side of the stadium is Olive Street.
The stadium and training facility lie within what was the largest remnant of the unbuilt Highway 755 (North-South Distributor). While I think the practice fields are a waste of space, it's far better than a surface parking lot and much more economical for the team.
If the stadium still isn't urban enough, wait a few years. There are several projects planned nearby that'll take a quiet part of downtown and turn it into one of most vibrant. The largest of which, the Butler Brothers Building redevelopment, is nearing completion.
The urban condition City SC's stadium is in is infinitely more favorable to pedestrians than Children's Mercy Park and offers game attendees a multi-modal option to get there and offers many bars to hang out at before and after games. We can debate this any day but saying "The STL stadium was getting pushed hard as an urban stadium/oasis but it’s just as bad if not worse" is nothing short of disingenuous and screams jealously.
KC will have its day to shine but for now, let's take notes on how City SC did their Stadium and take notes on what can be improved.
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^ And not to mention, all done without any crazy tax incentives from the city.
