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Anyone see the new MLS stadium? I’m sure it’s nothing, but could they know something we don’t? There is a large office tower next to the federal court building in this rendering.

Old - Oct. '19


New - Mar. '20

Same angle, looking NW, with Market Street on the left and 20th Street on the right.  You can really see the difference in the roof structure in these two renderings.  The cantilevered roof over the plaza along 20th St. has been eliminated, and the roof structure as a whole has been simplified.  It also looks like the event space building on the left lost a couple of bays.

They probably cut the overhang short bc it was encroaching over City park land

^ So residents need to vote on any development that encroaches in the air over public park land?

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Mar 06, 2020

^ So residents need to vote on any development that encroaches in the air over public park land?

depends how to law was written, i think there would need to be a vote even if its underground too 

^ Ed Golterman would sue.  He hates anything and ever thing to do with professional sports.   He had another letter to the Editor in the Post the other day AGAIN!!!!

The new stair and elevation on the southeast corner is an interesting choice. Will provide an instagram-able moment looking down the gateway mall though.

I'm still unclear on what happens to that decrepit Market Street overpass there (between Union Station and Pear Tree). That thing is crumbling on all sides. Rebar visible everywhere. That big hole in the guardrail where cars drive off from the exit ramp. Way-too-narrow sidewalk.

But I thought someone said on here they were just filling in around it rather than removing it completely and building a road on fill dirt.

eee123 wrote: ↑

Mar 06, 2020

I'm still unclear on what happens to that decrepit Market Street overpass there (between Union Station and Pear Tree). That thing is crumbling on all sides. Rebar visible everywhere. That big hole in the guardrail where cars drive off from the exit ramp. Way-too-narrow sidewalk.

But I thought someone said on here they were just filling in around it rather than removing it completely and building a road on fill dirt.

The Market Street overpass will be demolished and rebuilt, according to the HOK rep at the open house.  Nothing about when that will happen, though. 

As to what goes under Market, I'm not sure they know.  The new bridge / viaduct was described as being "filled-in", but I don't think that would make much sense given that the stadium loading docks and service access will be under this area somewhere.  Whether they are under the stadium plaza, under the team HQ, and / or under Market Street, isn't clear, and again that might not even have been determined yet.  

$87.7M building permit issued.

Here's some pictures I took Friday night of the stadium site.  They give a good visual idea of the footprint of the stadium.  Also, you can see the site from across market and the hqters site.  There's a LOT of dirt that's been removed for this site.

^Thanks for the photos.

It's funny that they put construction fencing all along the Market Street overpass. Do they think people are going to jump off into their construction site?

Much of that giant dirt and rock mound in your first image will be fill later in the project, especially if they forego the below-grade parking under the training fields. That may not even be enough to bring that whole site up to Market Street grade...

urbanitas wrote: ↑

May 17, 2020

^Thanks for the photos.

It's funny that they put construction fencing all along the Market Street overpass. Do they think people are going to jump off into their construction site?

well a 15 foot section of the sidewalk and railing has been chopped off, i can see how someone looking in their phone call fall through a 15 foot side hole in the sidewalk 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

May 18, 2020

urbanitas wrote: ↑

May 17, 2020

^Thanks for the photos.

It's funny that they put construction fencing all along the Market Street overpass. Do they think people are going to jump off into their construction site?

well a 15 foot section of the sidewalk and railing has been chopped off, i can see how someone looking in their phone call fall through a 15 foot side hole in the sidewalk 

Yup, where the ramp was, but that doesn't explain the other 600' ± of fence...

I suppose it depends on when they plan on demolishing and replacing that overpass though, as there will eventually be some structure or fill close to the street grade, on both sides of the overpass. I would think they would want to replace that sooner, rather than later, though.

This evening, I decided to take a walk around the MLS Stadium site. Since my last visit, a lot has changed (as many of you know). I'm looking forward to seeing this gap fill in.









The Practice Fields and Team HQ area.



This will be a good view to watch the main structure rise. This is from the Pear Tree Inn parking garage. 

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Apr 01, 2020

Not exactly a webcam, but the St. Louis Sports Commission has a Flickr photo stream of the stadium construction:

SLSC - MLS Stadium Construction Photos

They are posting updates on this stadium construction photo stream again, and a few new videos as well, including one of the demo of 2008 Olive...

Eminent domain has been misused a lot in this city, but this isn't one of those times. 

Hell, I wouldn't mind an ordinance streamlining the eminent domain process on all surface parking lots in denser areas of the city. If somebody wants to build something dense and useful on your empty asphalt slab in the heart of downtown, we should let them.

^ Yes, but that empty lot is still someone's property in a society that values private property ownership & rights and free capital.   The same society that has let me own four different properties in four different states over time

While I don't like the idea of empty asphalt lots I also have to push back somewhat because the owner took the risk in a slow growth region in a downtown that hasn't gone anywhere in a long time.   Owner might have truly speculated and lucked out but none the less but they took the risk and paid the taxes in a city full of non tax paying properties.   One way or another it will work out.  

I'm strongly opposed to the use of eminent domain to benefit private developers. This one falls somewhere in between, I think. Tough call; I really don't know how I feel about it.