I think it might be nice for a Missouri Dem to run on an idea that is a very "Missouri" and equally populist. Just thinking about how Kenneth Mejia (below ad) stuck to a very local / simple / honest idea and I agree they should stay away from identity politicking - I think it would go over well.
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The Republicans got a reality check earlier this month; as such, I want to think that Missouri is winnable for the Democrats. We had a 'D' Governor not too long ago.
The issue that I see for Democrats in Missouri in 2024, however, is that the party doesn't have many big name candidates for Governor. John Ashcroft, Mike Kehoe; those guys have some name recognition for the Republicans. Who could the Democrats run that the voters would know (that hasn't already lost an election by 15+ points)?
The issue that I see for Democrats in Missouri in 2024, however, is that the party doesn't have many big name candidates for Governor. John Ashcroft, Mike Kehoe; those guys have some name recognition for the Republicans. Who could the Democrats run that the voters would know (that hasn't already lost an election by 15+ points)?
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pattimagee wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2022I think it might be nice for a Missouri Dem to run on an idea that is a very "Missouri" and equally populist. Just thinking about how Kenneth Mejia (below ad) stuck to a very local / simple / honest idea and I agree they should stay away from identity politicking - I think it would go over well.
Good idea for a type of ad - I certainly wouldn't call out police as it seems they are trying to do if I wanted to win an election in Missouri. I don't think its a good idea in STL City or STL County either. I'd focus on "corporate giveaways"
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Yeah, it is tough. The republicans have suppressed the development of good democratic talent. Galloway was a good example. She had a limited record of significant accomplishments to run on because the dems have been blocked from lower statewide offices. How do you build credibility as a candidate if you can't win an office to prove your ability. You end up just running as the anti-republican and i don't see that as a winning strategy. (Unless the GOP picks a nutball which is definitely inside the realm of possibility).
Also bifurcated nature of the state means Stl city and county dems have limited appeal cross state in KC. Plus, the city at least runs a little too far left for most in the state. Also because of heavy gerrymandering Representatives in congress for dems swing to far left to appeal broadly in the state. Would like to see the St. Louis region putting forward more young centrist candidates which in turn could be more competitive statewide.
Jason Kander was the last I remember that felt like they could win statewide. Left leaning but within reason, decent record, veteran, relatable to blue collar workers & veterans, and generally authentic sounding. Would like to see him run for Governor, though he seems to have dropped off the radar in recent years and i concede he has lost a lot of momentum. I still think he would come closer than most.
Also bifurcated nature of the state means Stl city and county dems have limited appeal cross state in KC. Plus, the city at least runs a little too far left for most in the state. Also because of heavy gerrymandering Representatives in congress for dems swing to far left to appeal broadly in the state. Would like to see the St. Louis region putting forward more young centrist candidates which in turn could be more competitive statewide.
Jason Kander was the last I remember that felt like they could win statewide. Left leaning but within reason, decent record, veteran, relatable to blue collar workers & veterans, and generally authentic sounding. Would like to see him run for Governor, though he seems to have dropped off the radar in recent years and i concede he has lost a lot of momentum. I still think he would come closer than most.
As a billboard add it can work because you can tailor the message to the location and thus who will be seeing it regularly. They are places where this plays well and others where it doesn't.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2022pattimagee wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2022I think it might be nice for a Missouri Dem to run on an idea that is a very "Missouri" and equally populist. Just thinking about how Kenneth Mejia (below ad) stuck to a very local / simple / honest idea and I agree they should stay away from identity politicking - I think it would go over well.
Good idea for a type of ad - I certainly wouldn't call out police as it seems they are trying to do if I wanted to win an election in Missouri. I don't think its a good idea in STL City or STL County either. I'd focus on "corporate giveaways"
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With the exception of Greitens all MO Governors in recent years have come from other statewide office
Parson--Lt Gov.
Nixon--AG
Blunt--Sec of State
Holden--Treasurer
Carnahan--Lt. Gov
Ashcroft--Sec of State
Bond--Auditor
Maybe Teasdale was the last one to only serve as a state rep or state senator prior. And that's going back over 4 decades.
With Democrats shut out of all the state offices now the only hope to get the governor's seat back is if the state really starts thinking outside the box when it comes to picking who sits in that office. And hope that voters don't think Greitens being untested was what led to his downfall.
Parson--Lt Gov.
Nixon--AG
Blunt--Sec of State
Holden--Treasurer
Carnahan--Lt. Gov
Ashcroft--Sec of State
Bond--Auditor
Maybe Teasdale was the last one to only serve as a state rep or state senator prior. And that's going back over 4 decades.
With Democrats shut out of all the state offices now the only hope to get the governor's seat back is if the state really starts thinking outside the box when it comes to picking who sits in that office. And hope that voters don't think Greitens being untested was what led to his downfall.
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Greitens went down largely because he was oh so Greitens. But I would posit that he also went down because the state party threw him to the wolves instead of closing ranks. If they had backed him up, I think he likely would have survived it, much like Trump did.
In retrospect I feel like Hawley was willing to hang him out to dry to neutralize his competition. He totally deserved it, but a moment that I at the time interpreted as representing his favoring integrity and duty over party which gave me some hope, now just appears like a self-serving weasel move.
Also FWIW Kander was Secretary of State in 2012
In retrospect I feel like Hawley was willing to hang him out to dry to neutralize his competition. He totally deserved it, but a moment that I at the time interpreted as representing his favoring integrity and duty over party which gave me some hope, now just appears like a self-serving weasel move.
Also FWIW Kander was Secretary of State in 2012
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^Yeah the state GOP never warmed to Greitens and I wonder if it's because he was the outsider who didn't pay his dues with a lower state office like the others did.
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^ or because they all knew he was a fraud, the guy met with Pelosi's people about running for Congress just 2 years before he ran for Gov as a republican, the dude stood 6 hours in line to meet Obama.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2022^Yeah the state GOP never warmed to Greitens and I wonder if it's because he was the outsider who didn't pay his dues with a lower state office like the others did.
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^yeah there's only one politician who is able to get away with that kind of brazen opportunism. And even for him the magic may finally be over (maybe)
I'd say Trudy Busch could run again for statewide office if she felt like she'd have a better chance. Jason Kander would be a pretty good candidate since he came close to beating Roy Blunt and people generally view him favorably. I also think Kander understands the urban-rural divide on things other than political beliefs better than most Republicans and Democrats. As such, he can listen and connect with voters on a better level. The third candidate who has name recognition, but likely would get trounced unless put up against a weak candidate is Lucas Kunce. He could surprise me, but he built a name during his senate campaign, and I suspect he won't go away.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2022The Republicans got a reality check earlier this month; as such, I want to think that Missouri is winnable for the Democrats. We had a 'D' Governor not too long ago.
The issue that I see for Democrats in Missouri in 2024, however, is that the party doesn't have many big name candidates for Governor. John Ashcroft, Mike Kehoe; those guys have some name recognition for the Republicans. Who could the Democrats run that the voters would know (that hasn't already lost an election by 15+ points)?
The only other Democrats who might have enough name recognition to make a go at it is Tishaura Jones, Quinton Lucas, Francis Slay and Sly James. Only thing with that is that Tishaura seems laser focused on being Mayor right now, Lucas will likely go for Cleaver's congressional seat, Slay (I think) is enjoying his political retirement and Sly has his own thing going on.
Ultimately, I think Missouri would be better off with a centrist governor rather than one that sticks with the national party platforms and beliefs. The electorate in Missouri might vote Republican, but the same electorate votes for initiatives that might be seen as Democratic (non-partisan redistricting, marijuana legalization, pro-union, and Medicaid expansion). If Missouri had a governor who could walk that fine line that balances what people clearly want, we'd be in pretty good shape. I just don't see the current Republican or Democratic parties here walking that line though. They walk the national party line.
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Parson has appointed Andrew Bailey as the new AG replacing Schmitt. Never heard of the guy.
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Just read that he was part of Parson's staff. The following article has lots of info on his right-wing stances, as well as his role in the state's lawsuit against the Post-Dispatch... https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/ ... 672271007/Baltimore Jack wrote:Parson has appointed Andrew Bailey as the new AG replacing Schmitt. Never heard of the guy.
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Musical chairs in the state offices with Treasurer Fitzpatrick elected as Auditor. Parson will appoint yet another state officer. Any likelihood we could get some diversity in that pick or just another white dude?
I'd say this disqualifies Ashcroft from being Governor, but I'm unsure if most Missourians will even care much.
Also, Bill Eigel is openly exploring a bid for Governor. Right now it looks like 2024 GOP might be Kehoe vs Ashcroft vs Eigel. If Kehoe and Ashcroft are definitely in, the race will likely be between those two unless someone comes out of no where. Of the three, I think Kehoe might be the best of the bunch.
Also, Bill Eigel is openly exploring a bid for Governor. Right now it looks like 2024 GOP might be Kehoe vs Ashcroft vs Eigel. If Kehoe and Ashcroft are definitely in, the race will likely be between those two unless someone comes out of no where. Of the three, I think Kehoe might be the best of the bunch.
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We kind of have an idea of how the Republican party in Missouri is shaping up, so why still absolutely nothing from the Democratic party?
It's kind of frustrating that the Republicans already seem like de facto winners.
Edit: According to one site, Crystal Quade and Quinton Lucas could be candidates. Both would lose by wide margins.
It's kind of frustrating that the Republicans already seem like de facto winners.
Edit: According to one site, Crystal Quade and Quinton Lucas could be candidates. Both would lose by wide margins.
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Well the Democratic bench got super thin in Missouri over the last decade so someone from outside politics would probably be the best bet. Focusing on state legislative and other down ballot races should have been the priority sooner but at least the party saw some definite gradual inroads in those regards in 2022.
State Senator Bill Eigel (R-Weldon Spring) has pre-filed a bill to explore using money from the State's $6 Billion surplus, and taking 2% of general revenues ($300 million this year) each year for 10 years, to yield $9 Billion to expand I-70 from STL to KC from 2 lanes each direction to 4 lanes. MoDOT estimated widening to 3 lanes would cost $5.5 Billion and utilize the median and recently constructed bridges to do this. A 4 lane configuration would cause many problems (like buying more land and needing to rebuild interchanges).
As I said a few posts above, Eigel is considering a bid for Governor in 2024.
I'd be fine with expanding to 3 lanes only since it's been talked about for a long time, a firm price and plan are identified, and MoDOT has been building bridges to support that configuration. But, I want to know if the State's finances can support this + maintaining the other highways and roads the state maintains. If the cost analysis comes back that this would be a disaster financially, then it shouldn't advance.
But let's say the $5.5 billion is spent on widening to 3 lanes. That leaves $3.5 billion from Eigel's proposal that could be used on infrastructure enhancements elsewhere that would mean more people would benefit. I'm talking about introducing an express service on the River Runner and doing track enhancements (in connection with Union Pacific) for faster and on time service. I'm also talking about working with municipalities statewide to fund road repave jobs, sidewalk replacements, special protected bike lanes (in select areas), rebuilding bridges, and maybe even funding transit enhancements within STL and KC. That could all occur, hypothetically, over 10 years and benefit far more people than just focusing on I-70.
But this brings me to a question and final point, would any of this even be possible if the Personal Property Tax is eliminated? Bill Eigel wants to eliminate that as well, which I'm fine with as long as current obligations are fulfilled. If it was found that spending $9 Billion on infrastructure over 10 years and removing the Personal Property Tax would later yield to tax hikes down the line, then this infrastructure plan should not advance and/or the Personal Property tax will unfortunately have to be maintained. I feel like we can't have both. It has to be one or the other. I'll take the elimination of the Personal Property Tax.
For Eigel being a Conservative, this doesn't sound like a Conservative plan (spend more money and cut taxes in the process). I'm fiscally conservative and I'm baffled at trying to figure this one out in the long-term.
https://missouriindependent.com/2022/12 ... iden-i-70/
As I said a few posts above, Eigel is considering a bid for Governor in 2024.
I'd be fine with expanding to 3 lanes only since it's been talked about for a long time, a firm price and plan are identified, and MoDOT has been building bridges to support that configuration. But, I want to know if the State's finances can support this + maintaining the other highways and roads the state maintains. If the cost analysis comes back that this would be a disaster financially, then it shouldn't advance.
But let's say the $5.5 billion is spent on widening to 3 lanes. That leaves $3.5 billion from Eigel's proposal that could be used on infrastructure enhancements elsewhere that would mean more people would benefit. I'm talking about introducing an express service on the River Runner and doing track enhancements (in connection with Union Pacific) for faster and on time service. I'm also talking about working with municipalities statewide to fund road repave jobs, sidewalk replacements, special protected bike lanes (in select areas), rebuilding bridges, and maybe even funding transit enhancements within STL and KC. That could all occur, hypothetically, over 10 years and benefit far more people than just focusing on I-70.
But this brings me to a question and final point, would any of this even be possible if the Personal Property Tax is eliminated? Bill Eigel wants to eliminate that as well, which I'm fine with as long as current obligations are fulfilled. If it was found that spending $9 Billion on infrastructure over 10 years and removing the Personal Property Tax would later yield to tax hikes down the line, then this infrastructure plan should not advance and/or the Personal Property tax will unfortunately have to be maintained. I feel like we can't have both. It has to be one or the other. I'll take the elimination of the Personal Property Tax.
For Eigel being a Conservative, this doesn't sound like a Conservative plan (spend more money and cut taxes in the process). I'm fiscally conservative and I'm baffled at trying to figure this one out in the long-term.
https://missouriindependent.com/2022/12 ... iden-i-70/
Also, Will Scharf tweeted he filed to run for statewide office in 2024. Didn't specify what, but I imagine it'll end up being Attorney General.
Eigel is a clown and Scharf is a ghoul. Ashcroft is a total empty suit solely interested in restoring his family's honor or whatever. Kehoe is probably the Republican I can stomach the most.
I don't think Kander is going to run for anything any time soon if ever. Unfortunately it isn't really worth talking about the Democratic side, as with Trump likely to be on the ballot again Republicans will win Missouri by 19-20 points making a Democratic win statewide basically impossible.
I don't think Kander is going to run for anything any time soon if ever. Unfortunately it isn't really worth talking about the Democratic side, as with Trump likely to be on the ballot again Republicans will win Missouri by 19-20 points making a Democratic win statewide basically impossible.
He's a republican, not a conservative. Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in decades if ever.
Widening highways is about the dumbest use of funds I can think of. Not only committing billions to initial construction, but condemning future money to the maintenance of this monstrosity. If intercity car traffic is demanding 4 lanes each way it means this state has terribly screwed up its transportation strategy, the solution is non-car options, not doubling down on highways, the "solution" of the past.
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LOLchriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 03, 2022For Eigel being a Conservative, this doesn't sound like a Conservative plan (spend more money and cut taxes in the process). I'm fiscally conservative and I'm baffled at trying to figure this one out in the long-term.
Fiscal conservatism, as popularized by Ronald "Doubled the Federal Deficit" Reagan? It's always been nothing more than a rhetorical cudgel to use against pro-worker programs.
My idea of fiscal conservatism is more about being responsible. Basically, don’t spend more money than you have and save as much as possible when possible.
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So apex fiscal conservatism would be for Missouri to cease almost all spending, raise the tax rate to 100% and sit on the money?chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 03, 2022My idea of fiscal conservatism is more about being responsible. Basically, don’t spend more money than you have and save as much as possible when possible.
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Whether or not Trump is on the ballot I doubt the GOP will win MO by those kinds of margins again.Ebsy wrote: ↑Dec 03, 2022Eigel is a clown and Scharf is a ghoul. Ashcroft is a total empty suit solely interested in restoring his family's honor or whatever. Kehoe is probably the Republican I can stomach the most.
I don't think Kander is going to run for anything any time soon if ever. Unfortunately it isn't really worth talking about the Democratic side, as with Trump likely to be on the ballot again Republicans will win Missouri by 19-20 points making a Democratic win statewide basically impossible.
If he is the nominee there could be a suburban revolt, if he isn't the rural turnout for the party will likely drop dramatically.
And if it's a 1912 scenario with the former President spurned by his party and going rogue who knows what will happen.