It probably also helps that they have to absolutely be unanimous in every single thing they write, since they can't lose a single vote. Hard to both please everyone and anyone.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jul 04, 2022Because the Supreme Court has essentially no power, particularly over Congress and the White House combined. The only reason you think they do is because Democrats use SCOTUS as their excuse to not do all the things they totally would do if they could, but they can't because of darn SCOTUS._nomad_ wrote: ↑Jul 04, 2022You're all over the place moving those goal posts around. I'm honestly not sure why you think the current congress is responsible for Supreme Court decisions, but I certainly know which party I want choosing judges to decide future decisions.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jul 04, 2022I honestly don't know how anyone can think that after the Democratic majority just let abortion rights and environmental regulations lapse while letting a million workers die from disease. Not to mention throwing trans rights under the bus.
Remember when they were going to write Roe V Wade into law? Remember when they were going to pass card check? Remember when they were going to protect trans rights and immigrant rights against the bad guys? Remember when they were going to fight climate change? Remember COVID? Remember #MeToo? The Democratic party exists to channel leftism into useless symbolism and protect corporations.
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Surprisingly low numbers for C. Bush in a primary. I still expect her to win pretty handily though.
I guess there's probably no polling on the 81st district primary between anti-choice incumbent Steve Butz and Alderman Bill Stephens.
I guess there's probably no polling on the 81st district primary between anti-choice incumbent Steve Butz and Alderman Bill Stephens.
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Yeah I hope Stephens pulls that one off. As long as the GOP is lockstep on denying women's rights I'm fine with us doing the same to try and preserve them.
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^While this may well be true you don't need to harsh my chill so quickly. I'm surely not voting for Butz.
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I'm happy to die on the hill of "people in a democracy should have bodily autonomy." The fact that forced-birth proponents get support from the Democratic party is one of the reasons I don't support Democrats.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2022Yeah I hope Stephens pulls that one off. As long as the GOP is lockstep on denying women's rights I'm fine with us doing the same to try and preserve them.
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^1 Democrat in the legislature--who is now facing a primary opponent. But sure cut off your nose to spite your face.
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Literally the only thing the Democratic party actually fights for is keeping progressives out of power. People mock them for being hapless or bad at politics but they will instantly mobilize a strong united front against anyone who whispers about doing things for citizens, or they'll rally to pass overnight aid packages to corporate donors.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jul 13, 2022^1 Democrat in the legislature--who is now facing a primary opponent. But sure cut off your nose to spite your face.
The fact that Congressional Democrats have never codified Roe v Wade should tell you something about how "pro-choice" the national party is.
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^OK cool. Keep throwing away your vote with the Greens or whatever.
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^I guarantee if the demo ever got to 60 willing votes in senate with majority t y of house and Whitehouse roe would be codified in days as well as Era and gun control. Its not complicated.
By your logic you shouldn't support greens because they never passed that legislation either.
I think the best example at national level is Bernie. He was pretty much sidelined through unfair coordination between hrc campaign and dnc. He had every reason to hold a grusge. But guess what he is still a Democrat. Why? Better than the alternative. Not complicated.
By your logic you shouldn't support greens because they never passed that legislation either.
I think the best example at national level is Bernie. He was pretty much sidelined through unfair coordination between hrc campaign and dnc. He had every reason to hold a grusge. But guess what he is still a Democrat. Why? Better than the alternative. Not complicated.
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I mean, voting in general is a waste of time, voting Green is more about standing up to be counted, rather than any hope of convincing people in power to dismember their own system by working within the system. It's nonsensical to say "you should support the Democrats because they would pass good legislation if there were ever enough Democrats to support good legislation". You could replace "Democrats" with "Republicans" and it would be equally compelling.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Jul 13, 2022^I guarantee if the demo ever got to 60 willing votes in senate with majority t y of house and Whitehouse roe would be codified in days as well as Era and gun control. Its not complicated.
By your logic you shouldn't support greens because they never passed that legislation either.
I think the best example at national level is Bernie. He was pretty much sidelined through unfair coordination between hrc campaign and dnc. He had every reason to hold a grusge. But guess what he is still a Democrat. Why? Better than the alternative. Not complicated.
It's weird to say "Bernie was sidelined by unfair coordination by the DNC... and that's why you should support the Democrats". That's a blatantly obvious example of why you should not bother trying to reform the Democratic party from within. You can support them or not for what they are, a pro-corporate pro-war anti-worker rights organization.
As someone who has worked in the legislature and follows Missouri politics pretty closely, it literally does not matter who is in the State House if they are elected as a Democrat.
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There are several example of reform that have been implemented in certain jurisdictions. Rank Choice voting and open elections are good examples. Of course you may dislike these reforms because the tend to skew representation toward more centrist policies. There are also some pretty bad reforms with good intentions like the recall petition system in California. No voting system is perfect and at a national level it has a lot of structural advantages built in for the current republican coalition but short of insurrection the only way you get to change it is through coalition building and voting. And reformists can win. After much hand ringing the board of alderman in St. Louis city went from 28 to 14. It was fought at every inch, but it did happen.MarkHaversham wrote:I mean, voting in general is a waste of time, voting Green is more about standing up to be counted, rather than any hope of convincing people in power to dismember their own system by working within the system.
I guess I am not sure what your alternative approach looks like. Are you saying there is no difference in outcome between the two because that is clearly wrong.MarkHaversham wrote:It's nonsensical to say "you should support the Democrats because they would pass good legislation if there were ever enough Democrats to support good legislation". You could replace "Democrats" with "Republicans" and it would be equally compelling.
I'm just pointing out that that's basically what Bernie himself is saying by continuing to be a Democrat after it all. Democrat party is just a group of people with aligned goals. Its not inherently corrupt but there is corruption. There platform and voting record shows they are aligned with you on probably 80% of your policy views. An 80% win is better than 100% loss.MarkHaversham wrote:It's weird to say "Bernie was sidelined by unfair coordination by the DNC... and that's why you should support the Democrats". That's a blatantly obvious example of why you should not bother trying to reform the Democratic party from within. You can support them or not for what they are, a pro-corporate pro-war anti-worker rights organization.
Holding them responsible failing to get the thing you both rhetorically say should be done is silly. All while you hold yourself blameless for not empowering them to achieve those ends. You lose 100% of the games you don't play. Your vote is an essential part of what could get people who agree with you into positions to actually affect the changes you advocate for. That is if you actually care to see the changes you say you do.
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Holding them responsible for failing to uphold their rhetoric is silly? The Democrats refuse to use power for workers, but use it relentlessly to grift. Have they ever been a fraction as interested in passing card check as they have in passing e.g. Ukraine military aid i.e. paying corporations billions for surplus goods? Did Biden shut down the government-corporate gravy train until Congress passes a basic human bill covering abortion, trans rights etc.? They complain about SCOTUS but have they ever even discussed stripping SCOTUS jurisdiction from a bill they supposedly care about, a thing that Congress explicitly has the power to do? Don't listen to what they say they want to do (treat immigrants humanely), look at what they actually do (imprison and deport more immigrants than Republicans).STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2022Holding them responsible failing to get the thing you both rhetorically say should be done is silly. All while you hold yourself blameless for not empowering them to achieve those ends. You lose 100% of the games you don't play. Your vote is an essential part of what could get people who agree with you into positions to actually affect the changes you advocate for. That is if you actually care to see the changes you say you do.
Where do I vote for people who agree with me like Martin Luther King Jr, Malcom X, Darren Seals, Deandre Joshua... oh right they were all killed by the police.
Anyway, I can't wait for the Democrats to spend 2 years actively harming Americans, and then getting rinsed in November and blaming it on me for not voting for them. Sorry I'm not packing into a crowded room during a crippling airborne pandemic to vote for the people who are pretending the pandemic isn't real instead of doing anything about it.
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.....that is a tweet by a random person.....mikenewell48 wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2022Most of those US billions "for Ukraine" are pocketed by North Virginia mansion-dwellers
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1547345343578345472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547345343578345472%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nakedcapitalism.com%2F2022%2F07%2Flinks-7-14-2022.html
and yes, majority of the "money" sent isnt money, its weapons made in the US by US companies.....this isnt rocket science- the US has 2 goals, first is self serving- using Ukraine to weaken Russia's military and second to help ukraine defend itself
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I mean you could vote abesntee but even that would require coming down off your cross.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2022
. Sorry I'm not packing into a crowded room during a crippling airborne pandemic
I swear I've never seen more self-serving "look at me" drivel on this board--even from you!
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I did vote absentee in 2020, but the relevant rules which allowed that were temporary and have been repealed or allowed to expire in Missouri.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jul 15, 2022I mean you could vote abesntee but even that would require coming down off your cross.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2022
. Sorry I'm not packing into a crowded room during a crippling airborne pandemic
I swear I've never seen more self-serving "look at me" drivel on this board--even from you!
^ Good. I thought it was well done. More guns, more crime and less safety seems to be the aim of Republicans in Jeff City. Pro Life, right!?
Name ‘em and shame ‘em.
Name ‘em and shame ‘em.
STLPOA on Hampton has a sign endorsing Eric Schmitt. Shocking, and embarrassing.
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^They're good at that. I'm not shocked, but I am embarrassed that a majority of our police choose to allow this to happen in their name. Something tells me the Ethical Society of Police won't be posting such a billboard. I really wish they could replace the POA.
