He could have been a military brat. There's a large military population in both O'Fallon and Virginia Beach.
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Shimmy wrote:I don't know where to put this, but I don't deem it worthy of starting a new topic. What happens to people when they don't have a ticket?
Coming back from the Blues game a kid across the isle from me had an invalid ticket or something. Said it was his birthday and he turned 18 today, but when asked where he was from he said Chesapeaka, VA. The security guy asked if that was by DC and the kid said it was down by Virginia Beach. I got curious when I got home and that checked true. But the kid said the zip code was 62269. Turns out that's the zip code for O'Fallon, IL(I knew the kid was screwed when he said 622-). But, anyways, when they got off the train at the Fairview stop(which happened to be my stop) there was a St. Clair deputy waiting and they took him into one of those kiosk things.
So, is it a fine? He was asked if he had any money to buy a new ticket and he said he left his wallet with his ID and all this money at home.
It very's depending on city vs. county vs. Ill.
I knw in the county:
$87.50
Saw someone get hit with a ticket at the Richmond Heights stop. The recipient was less than impressed when the officer told him the fine. His rant told me the cost.
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Regarding UMSL, many of my students have spent their entire lives outside 270 and they don't really seem to consider public transportation an option.
I'm surprised that the boardings are higher at UMSL South than UMSL North. I guess that has to do with the 4 and 27 buses. But the North station seems to have more people at it usually.
Regarding capacity issues, I don't understand why they made the platforms so short. I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't know what it is.
I'm surprised that the boardings are higher at UMSL South than UMSL North. I guess that has to do with the 4 and 27 buses. But the North station seems to have more people at it usually.
Regarding capacity issues, I don't understand why they made the platforms so short. I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't know what it is.
"Why are the plaforms so short"
Metrolink was designed and constructed around the rail tunnels in downtown. Constructing the stations in the tunnels permitted a 200 foot platforms quite economically. In the late 80's when the original system was conceived, they had no source of local funds to construct Metrolink and were able to construct the original system with pretty much only Federal cash. (Bi-State was able to meet its local match requirements using the in kind value of the tunnels and Eads Bridge.) As such, the designers did everything they could to keep costs down.
Also, no one envisioned that the usage would be so strong.
Metro could have easily constructed longer stations outside of downtown, but the downtown tunnel stations were the constraining feature setting the maximum station length.
Metrolink was designed and constructed around the rail tunnels in downtown. Constructing the stations in the tunnels permitted a 200 foot platforms quite economically. In the late 80's when the original system was conceived, they had no source of local funds to construct Metrolink and were able to construct the original system with pretty much only Federal cash. (Bi-State was able to meet its local match requirements using the in kind value of the tunnels and Eads Bridge.) As such, the designers did everything they could to keep costs down.
Also, no one envisioned that the usage would be so strong.
Metro could have easily constructed longer stations outside of downtown, but the downtown tunnel stations were the constraining feature setting the maximum station length.
Metro ridership (all modes) will exceed 5.2 million boardings in April. Metrobus and Metrolink ridership was up 12 % (555,749) boardings in April.
Metrobus ridership was up 11 %. Metrolink ridership was up 13 %.
Farebox Revenue was up nearly 11 %.
On my own buses, I not seen such solidly high ridership since I came to St. Louis in 1986. The high gasoline is bringing new passengers to the system.\\
This is all good news.
Metrobus ridership was up 11 %. Metrolink ridership was up 13 %.
Farebox Revenue was up nearly 11 %.
On my own buses, I not seen such solidly high ridership since I came to St. Louis in 1986. The high gasoline is bringing new passengers to the system.\\
This is all good news.
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Busdad wrote:Metro ridership (all modes) will exceed 5.2 million boardings in April. Metrobus and Metrolink ridership was up 12 % (555,749) boardings in April.
Metrobus ridership was up 11 %. Metrolink ridership was up 13 %.
Farebox Revenue was up nearly 11 %.
On my own buses, I not seen such solidly high ridership since I came to St. Louis in 1986. The high gasoline is bringing new passengers to the system.\\
This is all good news.
Sounds like a perfect time to cut services
On a more serious note - do we have information on same-stop ridership increases? I know bus stops would be hard to measure, but metrolink? You could probably get same-line bus ridership increases as well.
I'm more interested about which lines are seeing the growth, versus a system-wide increase.
I miss the information gold-mine that Busdad was.
Does anyone have recent information concerning station ridership? The last I can find was Busdad's post in June 2007. The current information on Wikipediais from February 2007! The Metro annual report is useless. It's basically a promotional brochure mixed with financial statistics, and no details on ridership
. I know they were changing their passenger counting system/software but come on!
I'm sure the closing of I-64, height of gas prices last summer, opening of the Gateway Transit Center, and general acclimation to Cross-County have boosted ridership since 2007. It would be great to get some #'s to validate these suspicions.
Does anyone have recent information concerning station ridership? The last I can find was Busdad's post in June 2007. The current information on Wikipediais from February 2007! The Metro annual report is useless. It's basically a promotional brochure mixed with financial statistics, and no details on ridership
. I know they were changing their passenger counting system/software but come on!I'm sure the closing of I-64, height of gas prices last summer, opening of the Gateway Transit Center, and general acclimation to Cross-County have boosted ridership since 2007. It would be great to get some #'s to validate these suspicions.
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I haven't seen any numbers either in a while. I will do some digging. Remember there are a lot fewer people at Metro these days and many that are left are young, bright, enthusiastic, but over worked and inexperienced.
Annual data for the 2011 fiscal year is out. Ridership inched up 2.4% to 50,282 average weekday riders, compared to 49,083 (2010), 58,272 (2009), 61,573 (2008). It's good that the decline has stopped. Hopefully now ridership can start inching back up to 60,000. Obviously gas prices will have a lot to do with that.
Average ridership dipped in the 1st quarter (perhaps post-Prop A service restoration had not kicked in yet?) and then grew in each successive quarter. Average ridership in the 4th quarter was 52,486, for a 3.7% increase over 4th quarter 2010.
Annual ridership in MO grew by 2.7% (342,500), while ridership in IL grew by 1.2% (37,600), which I believe reverses a trend. Although IL had a 7.3% dip in February which looks like an outlier, possibly due to Eads Bridge construction.
Average ridership dipped in the 1st quarter (perhaps post-Prop A service restoration had not kicked in yet?) and then grew in each successive quarter. Average ridership in the 4th quarter was 52,486, for a 3.7% increase over 4th quarter 2010.
Annual ridership in MO grew by 2.7% (342,500), while ridership in IL grew by 1.2% (37,600), which I believe reverses a trend. Although IL had a 7.3% dip in February which looks like an outlier, possibly due to Eads Bridge construction.
Bright new system maps are now at all the stations. Unfortunately, they didn't included Sunnen Station. And long-term parking designations at Shrewsbury and Brentwood. And a lot of bus lines are wrong.
But otherwise, they look great. I just wonder if Sunnen is on the chopping block.
But otherwise, they look great. I just wonder if Sunnen is on the chopping block.
Metro's nextstop blog has reported that Transit Ridership in St. Louis Area is Up Eight Percent
Metrolink Ridership specifically is up 3.6%, which translates to a ~300,000 increase over the last 6 months (from 8,257,797 to 8,555,078), and a ~1,800 increase in weekday ridership (from 50,669 to 52,493).
Assumedly the improving economy, rising gas prices, and mild winter are to blame. With gas prices and employment up since December 31st the trend in increasing ridership seems likely to continue.
Metrolink Ridership specifically is up 3.6%, which translates to a ~300,000 increase over the last 6 months (from 8,257,797 to 8,555,078), and a ~1,800 increase in weekday ridership (from 50,669 to 52,493).
Assumedly the improving economy, rising gas prices, and mild winter are to blame. With gas prices and employment up since December 31st the trend in increasing ridership seems likely to continue.
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With rising gas prices that is likely to stay all summer, now is definitely the time for Metro to put out a major advertising campaign showing the benefits of transit, why people should ride it, and why it should be expanded.
You know what - I almost never see MTAs advertise themselves, beyond within their own stations or on their own trains/buses, which is preaching to the converted. I'm curious what would the point of advertising be for them. Would it be targeted towards existing markets, trying to boost ridership numbers in areas of existing infrastructure, or would it be to target new markets and promote the benefits of transport?Joseph Huber wrote:With rising gas prices that is likely to stay all summer, now is definitely the time for Metro to put out a major advertising campaign showing the benefits of transit, why people should ride it, and why it should be expanded.
Personally, I think the best thing Metro could ever do (and they never will) would be to systematically buy up land surrounding the Metrolink stations and develop the land and then sell it off, using the profits generated to support new capital expenditure while relying on the existing taxes/rider fees for operational costs. And of course, Metro should build and own any parking lot associated with public transit, so they have a constant source of cash flow besides the taxes (can vary widely) and ridership.
^^ They currently advertise during Blues games as the best way to get to/from the game.
With gas prices soaring, now is the time for them to market. And expand for that matter.
Define during? As on the telecasts, or at Kiel/Savvis/Scottrade/whatever it is now Center?tbspqr wrote:^^ They currently advertise during Blues games as the best way to get to/from the game.
Television ad on Fox Sports Midwest during Blues game telecast.
Watch it here:
Watch it here:
Well no doubt that buying up land would be a great idea; most of the initial private transit companies made money via land development. The question is if you only have a small fund for capital improvements and long-term investments folks will freak if they find Metro gambling on land.Personally, I think the best thing Metro could ever do (and they never will) would be to systematically buy up land surrounding the Metrolink stations and develop the land and then sell it off, using the profits generated to support new capital expenditure while relying on the existing taxes/rider fees for operational costs. And of course, Metro should build and own any parking lot associated with public transit, so they have a constant source of cash flow besides the taxes (can vary widely) and ridership.
Metro reports the best ridership increase in the country. This will look good in asking for additional funds
http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/al ... f6878.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/al ... f6878.html
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Just read that Minneapolis was set to get 9-1 fed match with $25M investment. How can't STL get this? Prop A is surely generating enough to commit $25M.
I assume you just read this article in the MinnPost? Let's see what MetroCouncil says about the matter.Alex Ihnen wrote:Just read that Minneapolis was set to get 9-1 fed match with $25M investment. How can't STL get this? Prop A is surely generating enough to commit $25M.
In other words, nothing to see here. Move along.How will Southwest LRT be funded?
The project is estimated to cost $1.25 billion. The state share would be $125 million or 10 percent. Every state dollar will leverage $9 from other sources. The other 90 percent would come from transit-dedicated sources: 50 percent or $625 million from the Federal Transit Administration, 30 percent or $375 million from the Counties Transit Improvement Board and 10 percent or $125 million from the Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority. None of the 90 percent can be spent on highways.
Station-by-Station Daily Ridership according to July 2012 Metro TOD Publication (with thanks to Presbyterian).
Station...................Avg. Daily Ridership.......Place Change from 2006-2007 Data
Central West End: 4,513 (Even)
Forest Park-DeBaliviere: 3,643 (Even)
North Hanley: 2,933 (+2)
Civic Center: 2,830 (+4)
Grand: 2,627 (-2)
Fairview Heights: 1,743 (+11)
Delmar Loop: 1,730 (+3)
Shrewsbury-Lansdowne 1,647 (+6)
5th & Missouri: 1,610 (+2)
8th & Pine: 1,597 (-1)
Union Station: 1,493 (-4)
Convention Center: 1,477 (-6)
Rock Road: 1,447 (-1)
Lambert Airport Main 1,427 (-10)
Stadium: 1,337 (+12)
Arch-Laclede's Landing 1,163 (+2)
Wellston: 823 (-2)
Brentwood I-64: 810 (+4)
East Riverfront: 770 (+6)
Emerson Park: 750 (-7)
Shiloh-Scott: 750 (-5)
Clayton: 740 (+2)
College: 710 (+7)
Richmond Heights: 660 (+9)
UMSL South: 653 (-5)
Maplewood-Manchester: 613 (+6)
Skinker: 610 (+1)
Belleville: 580 (-5)
UMSL North: 520 (-3)
Washington Park: 480 (+1)
Jackie Joyner-Kersee 437 (-12)
Lambert Airport East 427 (-11)
University City-Big Bend 423 (+2)
Swansea: 413 (-5)
Memorial Hospital: 360 (-1)
Forsyth: 327 (Even)
Sunnen: 190 (Even)
Station...................Avg. Daily Ridership.......Place Change from 2006-2007 Data
Central West End: 4,513 (Even)
Forest Park-DeBaliviere: 3,643 (Even)
North Hanley: 2,933 (+2)
Civic Center: 2,830 (+4)
Grand: 2,627 (-2)
Fairview Heights: 1,743 (+11)
Delmar Loop: 1,730 (+3)
Shrewsbury-Lansdowne 1,647 (+6)
5th & Missouri: 1,610 (+2)
8th & Pine: 1,597 (-1)
Union Station: 1,493 (-4)
Convention Center: 1,477 (-6)
Rock Road: 1,447 (-1)
Lambert Airport Main 1,427 (-10)
Stadium: 1,337 (+12)
Arch-Laclede's Landing 1,163 (+2)
Wellston: 823 (-2)
Brentwood I-64: 810 (+4)
East Riverfront: 770 (+6)
Emerson Park: 750 (-7)
Shiloh-Scott: 750 (-5)
Clayton: 740 (+2)
College: 710 (+7)
Richmond Heights: 660 (+9)
UMSL South: 653 (-5)
Maplewood-Manchester: 613 (+6)
Skinker: 610 (+1)
Belleville: 580 (-5)
UMSL North: 520 (-3)
Washington Park: 480 (+1)
Jackie Joyner-Kersee 437 (-12)
Lambert Airport East 427 (-11)
University City-Big Bend 423 (+2)
Swansea: 413 (-5)
Memorial Hospital: 360 (-1)
Forsyth: 327 (Even)
Sunnen: 190 (Even)
I wish there was a way of counting WashU students/staff that use their U-Pass.wabash wrote:Station-by-Station Daily Ridership according to July 2012 Metro TOD Publication (with thanks to Presbyterian).
Skinker: 610
University City-Big Bend 423
Grand's numbers seem a bit high...was that station even finished in July? Or at least by the time these numbers would have been averaged?