^ Damn straight. She is pretty rural in her thinking and I think its fair to say she could care less about what happens in St. Louis. Wasn't she once county prosecutor in Kansas City? If people are looking for govenor's who are interested in St. Louis issues, then McCaskil is not the option. Alas... I rarely vote democratic, but I really liked Holden. Seemed like he cared about the city.
Thanks for the school lesson about McCaskil.
What did Holden do for the city? I am not too familar with his policies.
Bond is alright, but he helped destroy McRee Town, I am still mad about that whole fiasco.
If Bond and Talent are so great then why do they not push more increased metro funding? My UMSL pass is going to be gone, and I cannot afford parking. When sate and federal funding could be higher, I must question if he could be doing more.
What did Holden do for the city? I am not too familar with his policies.
Bond is alright, but he helped destroy McRee Town, I am still mad about that whole fiasco.
If Bond and Talent are so great then why do they not push more increased metro funding? My UMSL pass is going to be gone, and I cannot afford parking. When sate and federal funding could be higher, I must question if he could be doing more.
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Public transportation isn't the most popular issue. The reality of politics is that politicians usually back what the public wants. Not to mention that Talent and Bond are both conservatives. Fiscal conservatives don't generally jump at the chance for more funding.
I still don't get the big deal about losing McRee Town. I don't like eminant domain, but I could care less about the buildings themselves. The neighborhood was at absolute rock bottom. Now a new influx of quality housing is being built in the area. Just because something is old doesn't mean its great.
I still don't get the big deal about losing McRee Town. I don't like eminant domain, but I could care less about the buildings themselves. The neighborhood was at absolute rock bottom. Now a new influx of quality housing is being built in the area. Just because something is old doesn't mean its great.
Perhaps Holden didn't have so many policies (though it would be hard when the clear policy that was needed was cut spending across the board), but he did seem to spend a fair amount of time in the city. Seemed like he was always making apperances here and there around town. How often does Blunt do that? Holden did support the Ballpark bill when it was up and seemed intrested in preserving the all important historic tax credits. He was more of a local ally than his record might suguest, seeing as how the state did little spending and alot of cutting while he was in office.
I thought Bond was the senior republican on the seneate transportation committie. He has done a good job bringing home pork highway funding, like stuff for the new MRB.
I thought Bond was the senior republican on the seneate transportation committie. He has done a good job bringing home pork highway funding, like stuff for the new MRB.
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Talent included $40 billion in public transit in the transportation bill
SMSPlanstu wrote:Talent included $40 billion in public transit in the transportation bill
Really? When did that happen? I just went to his website and don't see any mention of it. Is it entirely for transit? How much for Metrolink? Details please.
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That money is spread across the country.
It was written that money is dedicated to the Missouri River Bridge, South Metro line, and north Metro line. Those last three are apart of the transit allocated money.
Talent may not have authored this amount, but he was the major initiator of the bill now approved by Bush. Just will we make use of the offered money?
It was written that money is dedicated to the Missouri River Bridge, South Metro line, and north Metro line. Those last three are apart of the transit allocated money.
Talent may not have authored this amount, but he was the major initiator of the bill now approved by Bush. Just will we make use of the offered money?
What I am talking about is not highway funds for the entire country, with some being for St. Louis. I am talking about earmarks that specifically list X million for metrolink/bi-state, etc. I want specific ear marks, that is what we need.
SMS - are you saying that the Feds have put money in their budget for a north and south (or any) Metrolink Line. When will we get the money? Does this mean they can start building this year? Sorry, don't mean to put you on this spot, but show me the money. I get annoyed when politicians say there is money for transit - and there really isn't. I have heard too much of that in my life.
You ask if we will make use of the offer? If President Bush has offered us money for one or two Metrolink lines, there would be major headlines in every newspaper within a couple hundred miles of the Arch. Yet, I have not heard of it. I hope you are correct. And the answer is probably yes, if GWB is offering us a couple of Metro lines, I can imagine we would accept them.
I don't give politicians credit until I see the cash. And give me concrete examples of what Talent (or GWB for that matter) has done to improve mass transit in the St. Louis area. Sorry, I won't give credit where it isn't due.
You ask if we will make use of the offer? If President Bush has offered us money for one or two Metrolink lines, there would be major headlines in every newspaper within a couple hundred miles of the Arch. Yet, I have not heard of it. I hope you are correct. And the answer is probably yes, if GWB is offering us a couple of Metro lines, I can imagine we would accept them.
I don't give politicians credit until I see the cash. And give me concrete examples of what Talent (or GWB for that matter) has done to improve mass transit in the St. Louis area. Sorry, I won't give credit where it isn't due.
Right on Expat. When looking at Xings budget examples I do not see how our politicians are getting funds for mass transit.
We need to look at records. What are they doing for St. Louis? It doesn't matter if they are from Des Peres or Rolla. What matters is their record. What have they done for the city? What have they done for transit? What are their plans for the developing the city? What are their plans for transit? What are their plans for getting jobs and education in St. Louis? Where do they stand on the sticky bio tech issues? That is what I want to hear.
KC & STL should team up and take control of Jefferson City. The economic engines of the state should be treated as such.
KC & STL should team up and take control of Jefferson City. The economic engines of the state should be treated as such.
Fck yes Expat. We need to burn down Jefferson City and move the capital to St. Louis or Kansas City. These rural farmers are only concerned about farm subsidies and holding our urban environment back. I still do not understand how they can treat the cities so bad when they would not be a state without us.
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uhhh .... I was joking. Pretty obvious that all of that money was not alloted for us.
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The federal government only gives out so much money for project such as Metrolink. You can't blame our federal politicians for lack of funds. If you really want to blame politician, blame state and local ones.
And lets be honest. With the Cross-County Metrolink disaster Metrolink has no right to monies for new projects. I want more mass transit, but before any new projects get started we need to reform how things are done at Metro. Start a new line now and they will keep pissing the money away. How can you blame Holden or Talent or McCaskill for that?
And lets be honest. With the Cross-County Metrolink disaster Metrolink has no right to monies for new projects. I want more mass transit, but before any new projects get started we need to reform how things are done at Metro. Start a new line now and they will keep pissing the money away. How can you blame Holden or Talent or McCaskill for that?
I belive the $40 Billion is for tranit projects across the nation. Talent was an important part of getting this aspect of the bill in and in return the new transportation bill ensures that some of the funds are ear-marked for specific projects. The money that St. Louis got, amoung other things, offers specific ammounts for the MRB and I belive for conducting the studies for the north and south lines that will get them to the point that if additional funding is found, they could be built.
Conurbation wrote:The federal government only gives out so much money for project such as Metrolink. You can't blame our federal politicians for lack of funds. If you really want to blame politician, blame state and local ones.
True, it is certainly the state, and in some jurisdictions, the locals, that I blame for lack of support for transit. My rant was certainly meant for them. But, when someone was implying that Talent & Bush were offering the money and asking if we would just take the offer, I couldn't leave that alone. All I am saying, let's not pretend or imply any of them are devoted to transit in St. Louis.
And to be clear, there isn't much of a choice on either side regarding these matters. We need to get more urbancentric politicians.
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SMSPlanstu wrote:
It was written that money is dedicated to the Missouri River Bridge, South Metro line, and north Metro line. Those last three are apart of the transit allocated money.
Actually the amount listed in the transportation bill for MetroLink expansion were authorizations, not appropriations. Congress would have to approve actually sending money for those projects at a later date.
I don't think the delays from Cross County would affect us getting federal funding for future projects as that was entirely funded locally.
I believe St. Louis, whenever we get around to expanding Metrolink, would try to put up the new Cross County line as the local "match" to secure funding for the next line. We already got lucky once putting up the land for the original line as the local "match"; I think we'll have to get lucky a second time to have any hope of seeing Metro North or Metro South in the near future.brickandmortar wrote:Actually the amount listed in the transportation bill for MetroLink expansion were authorizations, not appropriations. Congress would have to approve actually sending money for those projects at a later date.
I don't think the delays from Cross County would affect us getting federal funding for future projects as that was entirely funded locally.
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Does anyone know if now that Wash U will have a M Link station, will they give students free access to it as the UM system does? I'd be great to have free M-link for a few years while in grad school.
Calling Bond and Talent 'fiscal conservatives' is sort of laughable at this point. I do think that Bond does a good job of bringing money into Missouri. But Talent is a Bush lackey. He's done nothing but support the current administration, and I can't remember anything that he's done that isn't in line with Bush and his boys. I wouldn't vote for Talent if he paid me to, and I'm not surprised I haven't been offered yet. He's a chump, IMO.
And JMedwick, the reason that Holden went down is because of the vote against Gay Marriage in Missouri, he put it on the primary ballot so it brought out the crazies who voted him out. He was much more qualified than McKaskill.
None of those choices are real urban politicians. Not Talent, Bond or McKaskill. But if you shout loud enough, they have to listen.
And JMedwick, the reason that Holden went down is because of the vote against Gay Marriage in Missouri, he put it on the primary ballot so it brought out the crazies who voted him out. He was much more qualified than McKaskill.
None of those choices are real urban politicians. Not Talent, Bond or McKaskill. But if you shout loud enough, they have to listen.
MistaC01 wrote:Does anyone know if now that Wash U will have a M Link station, will they give students free access to it as the UM system does? I'd be great to have free M-link for a few years while in grad school.
I would hope so, considering they will have two stations on their main campus, a west campus stop, and their west end stop that is already serving them. Not to mention the residential they are building on Rosedale by the loop station. Whether the school provides the passes or not, the students, professors and faculty are likely going to patronize the system more-so than any other business or institution ever has or ever will in the st louis area.
Does SLU offer discounted passes?
Yes, SLU offers discounted passes, but I think their set up with Metro only allows commuters to buy the semester long passes. This is the first semester for these passes, and they have been selling very well from what I have heard.
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Mill204 wrote:
Unfortunately, Cross County cannot count towards the local match of any future extension. Metro South and Metro North used to be called Cross County Two and Cross County Three, but the new names of Metro South and North came about when the Federal Transit Administration ruled that Cross County was an entirely independent, locally built extension.
While this move unfortunately means future extensions, even where using federal New Starts funding, will now be more expensive, the ruling likely saved the Cross County extension from going to federal courts. And such move indirectly stopped wealthy, sue-happy folks living on Lindell, in Parkview and Clayton wanting to throw every legal hurdle available up against this already costly project.
I believe St. Louis, whenever we get around to expanding Metrolink, would try to put up the new Cross County line as the local "match" to secure funding for the next line. We already got lucky once putting up the land for the original line as the local "match"; I think we'll have to get lucky a second time to have any hope of seeing Metro North or Metro South in the near future.
Unfortunately, Cross County cannot count towards the local match of any future extension. Metro South and Metro North used to be called Cross County Two and Cross County Three, but the new names of Metro South and North came about when the Federal Transit Administration ruled that Cross County was an entirely independent, locally built extension.
While this move unfortunately means future extensions, even where using federal New Starts funding, will now be more expensive, the ruling likely saved the Cross County extension from going to federal courts. And such move indirectly stopped wealthy, sue-happy folks living on Lindell, in Parkview and Clayton wanting to throw every legal hurdle available up against this already costly project.
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I know that this seems like a longshot to many people on here, but I think that the issue of Metrolink expansion to St. Charles County needs to be continuously raised. At some point, especially as the benefits that cities such as Belleville are ramping up from the light rail, St. Charles residents will want to build a rail through their county.
I think that the rail should be extended first in St. Louis County with stops at St. Louis Mills Mall, and then in the area where Dave & Busters, Riverport, and Harrah's Casino are. Then there will be stops in St. Charles, starting with the Missouri River riverfront or Old St. Charles, and maybe about two or three more stops before ending at Mid Rivers Mall, or maybe even O'Fallon.
The challenging part is, of course, getting people in St. Charles County to go along with the plan.
I think that the rail should be extended first in St. Louis County with stops at St. Louis Mills Mall, and then in the area where Dave & Busters, Riverport, and Harrah's Casino are. Then there will be stops in St. Charles, starting with the Missouri River riverfront or Old St. Charles, and maybe about two or three more stops before ending at Mid Rivers Mall, or maybe even O'Fallon.
The challenging part is, of course, getting people in St. Charles County to go along with the plan.