I'd be very wary of that restaurant listing. I saw a bunch of places that don't exist anymore.
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(straight from Debbie Downer):
By Karen Collins, R.D.
Special to MSNBC.com
Updated: 7:00 a.m. CT July 8, 2005
Karen Collins, R.D.
Many Americans still do not know that grilling can be unhealthy. The cancer risk from grilling, however, is real, but it changes dramatically with what you grill and how you do it.
The problem with traditional grilling comes from the combination of meat with intense heat. Whether you are using red meat, poultry or seafood, substances in the muscle proteins of these foods react under high heat to form carcinogenic compounds called heterocyclic amines (HCAs). HCAs can damage the DNA of our genes, beginning the process of cancer development.
Consumption of HCAs is mostly clearly linked to cancers of the colon and stomach. One study found that people who eat the most barbecued red meat (beef, pork and lamb) almost doubled their risk of colon polyps, compared to those who did not eat these foods. Colon polyps can develop into colon cancer. Some evidence also suggests that these carcinogenic compounds can travel through the bloodstream to other tissues. This would explain why HCAs could be a factor in breast cancer and other cancers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8499202/
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Finally, a number one ranking of which all Saint Louisans can be proud.
DeBaliviere, your upcoming dinner sounds great. You have enough for two more people, right?
DeBaliviere, your upcoming dinner sounds great. You have enough for two more people, right?
Better keep them out of the Loop then! We don't want to put the restaurants that aren't as good out of business...TGE-ATW wrote:I wasn't challenging you Bonwich, just stating that lots of people think it means lots of different things. MMMMmmmmm Famous Daves. Though it is a chain, I have to admit, they have Damn Good Ribs.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:metzgda wrote:This is great and long overdue. St. Louis is known for BBQ, and tourists want some that is easily accessible.
We are? Not that I've ever heard of. KC? Yes. Memphis? Yes. St. Louis? No.
Are you kidding? When I say I am from St. Louis to people from other cities, the second thing they bring up after the Arch is usually, "So do you eat at a lot barbeque places, then?"
We also have a great number of BBQ restaurants in our area to prove it
Wha??
The original St. Louis-style barbecue sauce is tomato-based, thinned with vinegar or beer, sweet and a little spicy. It is not as sweet and thick as KC style barbecue sauce, nor as spicy-hot and thin as Texas-style, usually poured over and cook on pork steak.
Ha! My dad always poured a half a can of Busch beer in his Mauls (along with other interesting ingredients, like Italian Dressing, Mustard, and Syrup) before barbequing (usually pork steaks). I still use the recipe. MMmmmmm barbeque
Jeff707 wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:metzgda wrote:This is great and long overdue. St. Louis is known for BBQ, and tourists want some that is easily accessible.
We are? Not that I've ever heard of. KC? Yes. Memphis? Yes. St. Louis? No.
Are you kidding? When I say I am from St. Louis to people from other cities, the second thing they bring up after the Arch is usually, "So do you eat at a lot barbeque places, then?"
This is merely the reflection of common misperception, like calling us "St. Louie" or assuming that we're a hotbed of blues.
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^ Or the misperception that we've actually done something meaningful to capitalize on our Mississippi River heritage since the Gateway Arch was built.
Any of you gone to that Great American Barbeque festival thing downtown? I have been going for the last couple of years, but I think I am done with it. Last time I just felt like it was full of "Carnies" trying to rip me off. All the food cost an even number of tickets, but they sold tickets in odd numbered batches. Also, Eddie Money was played a concert, saxophone and all. I would pay money NOT to listen to him. The food was decent, even good, but very expensive. Also, the person at the gate made me throw out an UNOPENED can of soda before coming in.
That would be Rib America, coming soon to a downtown plaza near you. (Memorial Day weekend). Here's the line-up:
Black Belt BBQ, Chicago BBQ, Cowboys BBQ, Susie’s BBQ, Coyote Roadhouse BBQ, Willingham's World
Champion BBQ, Joey’s Texas Thunder BBQ, and Texas Outlaws BBQ
Which, of course, begs the question: If we're "renowned for our barbecue," how come there ain't a single St. Louis team/restaurant on that list?
(Further note: Rib America tours to St. Louis, Indianapolis and Des Moines.)
Black Belt BBQ, Chicago BBQ, Cowboys BBQ, Susie’s BBQ, Coyote Roadhouse BBQ, Willingham's World
Champion BBQ, Joey’s Texas Thunder BBQ, and Texas Outlaws BBQ
Which, of course, begs the question: If we're "renowned for our barbecue," how come there ain't a single St. Louis team/restaurant on that list?
(Further note: Rib America tours to St. Louis, Indianapolis and Des Moines.)
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bonwich wrote:Jeff707 wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
We are? Not that I've ever heard of. KC? Yes. Memphis? Yes. St. Louis? No.
Are you kidding? When I say I am from St. Louis to people from other cities, the second thing they bring up after the Arch is usually, "So do you eat at a lot barbeque places, then?"
This is merely the reflection of common misperception, like calling us "St. Louie" or assuming that we're a hotbed of blues.
Yep.
TGE-ATW wrote:Any of you gone to that Great American Barbeque festival thing downtown? I have been going for the last couple of years, but I think I am done with it. Last time I just felt like it was full of "Carnies" trying to rip me off. All the food cost an even number of tickets, but they sold tickets in odd numbered batches. Also, Eddie Money was played a concert, saxophone and all. I would pay money NOT to listen to him. The food was decent, even good, but very expensive. Also, the person at the gate made me throw out an UNOPENED can of soda before coming in.
I've never been, based solely on the musical line up. Has beens and never weres from what I've seen.
And I've heard from friends that the food is OK, but very, very expensive.
bonwich wrote:Which, of course, begs the question: If we're "renowned for our barbecue," how come there ain't a single St. Louis team/restaurant on that list.
Good question.
Jeff707 wrote:Ha! My dad always poured a half a can of Busch beer in his Mauls (along with other interesting ingredients, like Italian Dressing, Mustard, and Syrup) before barbequing (usually pork steaks). I still use the recipe. MMmmmmm barbeque
Ha! I love that you specified "Busch" beer. When I was growing up, there were only two beers served at family functions - Busch or Budweiser. No lite beers, no silly European or Microbrews. Everything was grilled and then thrown into a huge pot filled with Mauls. I didn't know that was unusual until a cousin of mine moved here from Nebraska with his wife and she was mad because she liked hamburgers with mustard and ketchup - she couldn't figure out why we insisted on putting it in a pot of BBQ sauce.
Good times!
bonwich wrote:Jeff707 wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
We are? Not that I've ever heard of. KC? Yes. Memphis? Yes. St. Louis? No.
Are you kidding? When I say I am from St. Louis to people from other cities, the second thing they bring up after the Arch is usually, "So do you eat at a lot barbeque places, then?"
This is merely the reflection of common misperception, like calling us "St. Louie" or assuming that we're a hotbed of blues.
I agree. But CS was questioning the existence of the assumption
I've gotta chime in here.
Growing up we had barbecue all the time at our house. Same with a lot of neighbors. Almost all the local festivals, events, and parties had a barbecue component. We never went to restaurants for barbecue because the good stuff was always at home.
Now that I live outside of STL and have friends from all over the country, I've seen how unusual this is. Lot's of friends from other parts of the country NEVER had barbecue growing up. Although St. Louis may not have an abundance of well known barbecue restaurants, this is a big barbecue town. People from out of town do think of us as such.
Also, on the topic of blues: this is a music genre that's not popular anywhere right now. So comparitively speaking, St. Louis is a hotbed of blues. Sure, Chicago and memphis may have an edge on us right now, but St. Louis is definitely one of the top 3 blues cities.
Growing up we had barbecue all the time at our house. Same with a lot of neighbors. Almost all the local festivals, events, and parties had a barbecue component. We never went to restaurants for barbecue because the good stuff was always at home.
Now that I live outside of STL and have friends from all over the country, I've seen how unusual this is. Lot's of friends from other parts of the country NEVER had barbecue growing up. Although St. Louis may not have an abundance of well known barbecue restaurants, this is a big barbecue town. People from out of town do think of us as such.
Also, on the topic of blues: this is a music genre that's not popular anywhere right now. So comparitively speaking, St. Louis is a hotbed of blues. Sure, Chicago and memphis may have an edge on us right now, but St. Louis is definitely one of the top 3 blues cities.
Depends how you define "blues." Many residents of New Orleans -- including my old roommate, who moved there from St. Louis 20 years ago and now plays regularly with Mac Rebennack, Harry Connick Jr. et al -- might dispute you on the "top 3" stuff. (And they would definitively dispute you if you said "jazz and blues," where we probably don't even place in the top 10.
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Jeff wrote:Also, on the topic of blues: this is a music genre that's not popular anywhere right now. So comparitively speaking, St. Louis is a hotbed of blues. Sure, Chicago and memphis may have an edge on us right now, but St. Louis is definitely one of the top 3 blues cities.
Austin, Chicago and Memphis are ahead of us, without a doubt. And maybe some other places too.
bonwich wrote:Depends how you define "blues." Many residents of New Orleans -- including my old roommate, who moved there from St. Louis 20 years ago and now plays regularly with Mac Rebennack, Harry Connick Jr. et al -- might dispute you on the "top 3" stuff. (And they would definitively dispute you if you said "jazz and blues," where we probably don't even place in the top 10.
Tom McDermott?
And yes, there is comparitively little jazz in St. Louis. There is a hell of a lot of jazz in NO, and of course all the second-line stuff. Even some zydeco, although there's a lot more of that outstate. Can't say I've heard much blues in my trips to NO, but again, depends how you define it. After all, it is the blues that gave birth to the rest of it!
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jeff wrote:Also, on the topic of blues: this is a music genre that's not popular anywhere right now. So comparitively speaking, St. Louis is a hotbed of blues. Sure, Chicago and memphis may have an edge on us right now, but St. Louis is definitely one of the top 3 blues cities.
Austin, Chicago and Memphis are ahead of us, without a doubt. And maybe some other places too.
I was down in Austin two weeks ago and DAMN does that city have some nightlife. Yes it's a college town but WOW!
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bonwich wrote:CS wrote:Tom McDermott?
That would be him. Small world, huh?
"Yes, but I wouldn't want to paint it." (Steven Wright)
I don't know him, just know of him.
Apropos of nothing other than his mention in this thread, St. Louis native Tom McDermott will appear on "Live with Regis and Kelly" tomorrow (Tuesday) morning as part of Pete Fountain's band.
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dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jeff wrote:Also, on the topic of blues: this is a music genre that's not popular anywhere right now. So comparitively speaking, St. Louis is a hotbed of blues. Sure, Chicago and memphis may have an edge on us right now, but St. Louis is definitely one of the top 3 blues cities.
Austin, Chicago and Memphis are ahead of us, without a doubt. And maybe some other places too.
I was down in Austin two weeks ago and DAMN does that city have some nightlife. Yes it's a college town but WOW!
true, 6th street is probably the hot spot for nightlife in the country, IMO. But it helps when you have 50,000 undergrad at your doorstep. God, I wish Mizzou or even UMSL was near midtown!! Hell, I wish SLU would double in size. Having college students with disposable income does wonders for your city.