Would have rather have seen the Cesars brand instead…but add this to the list of things St. Louisans won’t call by it’s new name haha.
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^An eyesore by any name still smells like horse something or other.
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Gonna be honest, the new name is real dumb. Makes way more sense for some cow-town out west than STL.
With the popularity of PBR at Ballpark Village, I'm afraid the branding would actually be appealing.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022Gonna be honest, the new name is real dumb. Makes way more sense for some cow-town out west than STL.
Yikes...at least there are some renovations? It will certainly be easier for some of these folks to say correctly; a large percentage of the area thinks the place is called the "Lumineer."
Reminds me of multiple people confusing the names of the casino and the sculpture park.EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022Yikes...at least there are some renovations? It will certainly be easier for some of these folks to say correctly; a large percentage of the area thinks the place is called the "Lumineer."
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Strike the countdown bell up until the Four Season's is rebranded to position their property better in the DT STL marketplace. 2 to 1 this gets rebranded as a Sheraton Property by the end of the year.
Honestly, I'm surprised the Four Seasons has lasted this long with the condition of the North Riverfront. The casino has not kept any of it's promises to redevelop around the casino and that's a real shame, because it really has the potential to be a tourist area and attract more revenue to the casino.
In addition, Horseshoe is a really stupid name. Might as well call it Podunk or Flyover Resorts.
Have to agree, horseshoe is a casino name that seems fitting when I'm driving I-80 or I-15 through Nevada, maybe a good fit for Reno but St. Louis??goat314 wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022In addition, Horseshoe is a really stupid name. Might as well call it Podunk or Flyover Resorts.
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Ok its a name change! What about the actual casino/hotel etc ? Any nicer upgrades coming?
I wouldn't be surprised if Four Seasons pulls out in the next 5 years. And if it does, I wouldn't bet on them building a new STL location.
It's already one of their cheapest locations, the room design is already outdated, and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city. Looking at their full list of locations, STL is a bit of a head scratcher. STL and Baltimore are the only North American cities listed that aren't over 5 mil pop. or major tourist or resort destinations. STL also already has a Ritz Carlton, which many consider their biggest market rival / equivalent (STL stands out in a list of Ritz Carlton properties in the same way).
It's incredible and speaks to the strength of STL's business community that we've been able to sustain both a Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton. Ideally, I would like to see them leave the casino and build new or renovate elsewhere in downtown or the city.
It's already one of their cheapest locations, the room design is already outdated, and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city. Looking at their full list of locations, STL is a bit of a head scratcher. STL and Baltimore are the only North American cities listed that aren't over 5 mil pop. or major tourist or resort destinations. STL also already has a Ritz Carlton, which many consider their biggest market rival / equivalent (STL stands out in a list of Ritz Carlton properties in the same way).
It's incredible and speaks to the strength of STL's business community that we've been able to sustain both a Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton. Ideally, I would like to see them leave the casino and build new or renovate elsewhere in downtown or the city.
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I disagree - the 4 seasons here is more of a business hotel than luxury destination and is the best option in downtown STL for those purposes.aprice wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Four Seasons pulls out in the next 5 years. And if it does, I wouldn't bet on them building a new STL location.
It's already one of their cheapest locations, the room design is already outdated, and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city. Looking at their full list of locations, STL is a bit of a head scratcher. STL and Baltimore are the only North American cities listed that aren't over 5 mil pop. or major tourist or resort destinations. STL also already has a Ritz Carlton, which many consider their biggest market rival / equivalent (STL stands out in a list of Ritz Carlton properties in the same way).
It's incredible and speaks to the strength of STL's business community that we've been able to sustain both a Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton. Ideally, I would like to see them leave the casino and build new or renovate elsewhere in downtown or the city.
That said, had family who own a luxury agency in Virtuoso visit recently and their room was very modern and earned their metaphorical seal of approval. The lobby and dining are top notch too. I can also say that the hotel wasn’t hurting enough to give it away even to those in the industry.
I think they’re fine.
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for example:aprice wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022...and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city.
https://fox2now.com/news/trending/steve ... hilarious/
and local media just couldn't wait to get in on the kicking.
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^Somehow coming from Steve Martin makes that even better.
I hope he got glowing reviews.
I hope he got glowing reviews.
Any celebrity staying at the Four Seasons should automatically get a south facing room haha.
Steve Martin is a great guy though and is known to come in and see some attractions before performances. So, maybe he got a sh*tty view but he also saw the City’s crown jewel.
Steve Martin is a great guy though and is known to come in and see some attractions before performances. So, maybe he got a sh*tty view but he also saw the City’s crown jewel.
I wonder if that painting (which I believe is a statement on the firebombings of WWII which in part is a comment on the nuclear rods of Chernobyl) reminded him of the view from his hotel room.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022Any celebrity staying at the Four Seasons should automatically get a south facing room haha.
Steve Martin is a great guy though and is known to come in and see some attractions before performances. So, maybe he got a sh*tty view but he also saw the City’s crown jewel.
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love steve martin. not bashing him. (and didn't know he visited SLAM—that's pretty neat.) just acknowledging how problematic that view is.
IIRC Howard Stern has stayed at the Four Seasons and mentioned on his show how bad the view was.
Ok not to get too off topic but what can the city do about the north riverfront? We should be able to at least release an RFP and offer some decent tax incentives. This is an area where I’m fine with giving tax incentives for because it is right on the river and should be a vibrant area and it would go a long way to changing resident and visitors perceptions of the city
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Four Season's is in the process of opening a new location in downtown Minneapolis. Metro less than 4 million. However, Minneapolis does make much more sense than STL and Baltimore. Link below.aprice wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022I wouldn't be surprised if Four Seasons pulls out in the next 5 years. And if it does, I wouldn't bet on them building a new STL location.
It's already one of their cheapest locations, the room design is already outdated, and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city. Looking at their full list of locations, STL is a bit of a head scratcher. STL and Baltimore are the only North American cities listed that aren't over 5 mil pop. or major tourist or resort destinations. STL also already has a Ritz Carlton, which many consider their biggest market rival / equivalent (STL stands out in a list of Ritz Carlton properties in the same way).
It's incredible and speaks to the strength of STL's business community that we've been able to sustain both a Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton. Ideally, I would like to see them leave the casino and build new or renovate elsewhere in downtown or the city.
https://www.fourseasons.com/minneapolis/
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Just to join the "not bashing Steve Martin" bandwagon, I just want to make sure it was clear that I thought his tweet was darn funny. Particularly because it's true. And he is precisely the right guy to bag on our terrible views, given how incredibly funny the scene in Plains/Trains/&c was.
(I really did guffaw not just at Martin's tweet, but at the responses. That view is awful. And it's so funny/tragic because it really doesn't have to be and the reasons it is are so very very St. Louis.)
(I really did guffaw not just at Martin's tweet, but at the responses. That view is awful. And it's so funny/tragic because it really doesn't have to be and the reasons it is are so very very St. Louis.)
It’s a casino hotel. A loss leader for the casino and a place to put up guests. A stand-alone Four Seasons wouldn’t work here.brianadler6545 wrote:I disagree - the 4 seasons here is more of a business hotel than luxury destination and is the best option in downtown STL for those purposes.aprice wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Four Seasons pulls out in the next 5 years. And if it does, I wouldn't bet on them building a new STL location.
It's already one of their cheapest locations, the room design is already outdated, and the view from the north facing rooms has been a frequent embarrassment for the city. Looking at their full list of locations, STL is a bit of a head scratcher. STL and Baltimore are the only North American cities listed that aren't over 5 mil pop. or major tourist or resort destinations. STL also already has a Ritz Carlton, which many consider their biggest market rival / equivalent (STL stands out in a list of Ritz Carlton properties in the same way).
It's incredible and speaks to the strength of STL's business community that we've been able to sustain both a Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton. Ideally, I would like to see them leave the casino and build new or renovate elsewhere in downtown or the city.
That said, had family who own a luxury agency in Virtuoso visit recently and their room was very modern and earned their metaphorical seal of approval. The lobby and dining are top notch too. I can also say that the hotel wasn’t hurting enough to give it away even to those in the industry.
I think they’re fine.
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The Four Seasons is ageing and needs a renovation as it approaches 15 years of age.