I noticed that Gasm was quoted in the West End article on the CWE meeting on the high rise. Congrats, and thanks for fighting for progress.
Interesting - thanks for the TIF info. And yes, thanks to Gasm for speaking up.
Wow, I had no idea I was quoted (or should I say, misquoted) until I read it here on the forum! My words didn't come out exactly the way it was stated in the article, but close enough I guess. What I said was, "In a city that known for its historic architecture, what happened to our sense of adventure and greatness? We have the opportunity to create a new landmark in this neighborhood. Enough with the status quo, 3-story buildings. It's time for something bold."
(and then I said much more in my fit of passion. I ***** love this city.)
(and then I said much more in my fit of passion. I ***** love this city.)
Man, what a tease! The West End Word article has a photo of some of the people sitting around looking at the renderings, but no image of the new building itself!
Actually, you can get a small glimpse of the tower in the background, and it looks very nice, from what I can make out.
Actually, you can get a small glimpse of the tower in the background, and it looks very nice, from what I can make out.
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WAIT?
So OPUS has cleared one hurdle in gaining a possible 7.5 million from the City to build the 200unit highrise at Lindell and Euclid?
With the City Council and adjustments committee to go this project has shaped up rather quick. Maybe not as rapid as Clayton's Crescent, but it is a testimony that money talks. Granted OPUS so far is a great company and is very reliable, credible, and keen to urban development.
So OPUS has cleared one hurdle in gaining a possible 7.5 million from the City to build the 200unit highrise at Lindell and Euclid?
With the City Council and adjustments committee to go this project has shaped up rather quick. Maybe not as rapid as Clayton's Crescent, but it is a testimony that money talks. Granted OPUS so far is a great company and is very reliable, credible, and keen to urban development.
Still no rendering? 
I was hoping it would show up before now since I will be traveling for the next 10 days. Oh well, I will try to check in to keep an eye on this situation.
I was hoping it would show up before now since I will be traveling for the next 10 days. Oh well, I will try to check in to keep an eye on this situation.- 1,517
Expat wrote:Still no rendering?
As someone mentioned earlier, you can kind of make it out in the West End Word's photo. Obviously, it's not as good as seeing a clear rendering though.
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Matt Drops The H wrote:I noticed that Gasm was quoted in the West End article on the CWE meeting on the high rise.
Here is the article...
<A HREF="http://www.westendword.com/moxie/news/o ... ml">Onward and upward</A>
By Kara Krekeler
Posted Wednesday, November 16, 2005
The controversy surrounding the proposed Lindell Condominiums came to a head Nov. 12 during a Central West End Association Planning and Development Committee meeting. Planned as an informational meeting for neighborhood residents, many residents used the meeting as a forum to place themselves firmly for or against the proposed residential high-rise.
<A HREF="http://www.westendword.com/moxie/news/o ... l">>>>read more</A>
Oh, Jesus!?I do think it will have an impact on those of us who live across the alley,? said Maryland Avenue resident Terrie Liberman in response to Pitcher?s claim that the narrowness of the tower would cast other buildings in its shadow for an hour or less each day. Liberman and her husband have a greenhouse that they say would suffer greatly from reduced exposure to sunlight.
?All I want is for it to be consistent with what?s already on the street,? said Kathy Giddings, who said that the proposed building?s only benefit for her would be that it would block the glowing blue Children?s Hospital sign from the views out her windows.
I love Lyda!CWE resident Patti Teper said building height was important during discussions before the construction of the Schlafly Branch of the St. Louis Public Library, which shares a building with the Argyle parking garage. In that case, the neighborhood decided that the structure shouldn?t be higher than its neighbors on Maryland Plaza.
?If it was so important to have one side [of Euclid] be the same height as Maryland Plaza, why not the other?? Teper said. ?My concern is that this building looming over its neighbors will have a negative effect on the neighborhood ambiance.?
Lyda Krewson, 28th Ward alderman, disagreed, pointing out the fact that the 26-story Chase Park Plaza is only a block away from the proposed building site. ?I certainly don?t think the Chase Park Plaza negatively affects the quality of life in the Central West End,? she said.
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Oh, the plants in your greenhouse won't get as much sun? Okay, let's scrap the whole project. 
Thank goodness Gasm (the anti-Teper) was there.
Thank goodness Gasm (the anti-Teper) was there.
Terrie Terrie quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With NIMBY bells and cockle shells
and pretty towers all in a row.
Yeah, I really bite as a poet.
How does your garden grow?
With NIMBY bells and cockle shells
and pretty towers all in a row.
Yeah, I really bite as a poet.
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james wrote:
Yeah, I really bite as a poet.
Well at least you know-it.
Nothing but lame excuses and unbelievably selfish arguments offered in the ridiculous notion to thwart the construction of this desireable building.
"No buildings over 3 stories" in St. Louis's permier high rise neighborhood??? NONSENSE!!
Surely people wouldn't move to the premier highrise neighborhood and expect that no other highrise structure ever be built. Might the overused phrase "DUH..." apply here?
The CWE isn't Lafayette Square...LS in an old victorian neighborhood that has seen essentially no change architecturally since built and hopefully will remain that way, while the CWE is one that has a history of great change (except in the last few decades, with the decline of the city, now reversed, needless to say) to meet the demands of a cosmopolitan, urbane neighborhood, and hopefully it will continue to meet those demands.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again: The city was stagnant for so long, it sadly appears that some minds have also stagnated.
"No buildings over 3 stories" in St. Louis's permier high rise neighborhood??? NONSENSE!!
Surely people wouldn't move to the premier highrise neighborhood and expect that no other highrise structure ever be built. Might the overused phrase "DUH..." apply here?
The CWE isn't Lafayette Square...LS in an old victorian neighborhood that has seen essentially no change architecturally since built and hopefully will remain that way, while the CWE is one that has a history of great change (except in the last few decades, with the decline of the city, now reversed, needless to say) to meet the demands of a cosmopolitan, urbane neighborhood, and hopefully it will continue to meet those demands.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again: The city was stagnant for so long, it sadly appears that some minds have also stagnated.
Someone should inform this person that the earth rotates around the sun, creating such an effect that the sun "moves" around the sky and, at some point during each and every one of these intervals (known as "days"), her plants will receive some of those rays.
She might, however, need to lobby to get rid of those nasty clouds!
She might, however, need to lobby to get rid of those nasty clouds!
Are these people retarded? The entire north side of Lindell has buildings anwhere from one story to 15+ stories. Who are these people? It's interesting to note that the first three houses on the south side of Pershing (going east from Kingshighway), were built with the provision that they could be torn down for highrises, if the owners chose to allow a developer to do so. It goes to show the mindset at the time.. Look at the apartment building behind the Drunken Fish. There's NO WAY that could have been built today.
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Plus, it's not as if this high-rise is proposed for Maryland (though there are a couple high-rises closer to Newstead on Maryland), but Lindell-- a boulevard lined with high-rises, much like Kingshighway, another boulevard.
To me, the wider your street, the higher your buildings should go, as such a scale helps the streetscape psychologically calm traffic and remain more pedestrian-friendly. That the developer is scaling the building to the height of the low-rise garage along Euclid shows concern for that narrower retail street.
That some vocally opposed folks live across the alley on Maryland means their back yard, as in Not In My Back Yard, will be close to the new building. Considering NIMBYism, I don't think you should ever take the comments from individuals living very close to a project to heart, but balance them against the more objective viewpoints of the greater neighborhood.
To me, the wider your street, the higher your buildings should go, as such a scale helps the streetscape psychologically calm traffic and remain more pedestrian-friendly. That the developer is scaling the building to the height of the low-rise garage along Euclid shows concern for that narrower retail street.
That some vocally opposed folks live across the alley on Maryland means their back yard, as in Not In My Back Yard, will be close to the new building. Considering NIMBYism, I don't think you should ever take the comments from individuals living very close to a project to heart, but balance them against the more objective viewpoints of the greater neighborhood.
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I hope there is little opposition when the southwest corner of Lindell and Euclid lands a development. There seems to be not as many reasons to complain about that location.
I had a very spirited debate with our family friends last night at Thanksgiving dinner about this project. They own a house on Maryland Avenue, a block north of the proposed development. They definitely want a high-rise built at that location, but they said 28 stories is way too tall. They would welcome a 16 or even 18-story building. Although I disagree, it's at least refreshing to know that the CWE residents aren't against any development.
I still say build it, and build it tall!
I still say build it, and build it tall!
Maybe they should tear all of the buildings down on the north side of Lindell so every house on Maryland has sunlight at all hours.
Why stop there? Lop off the top 20 floors of the Park Plaza...or better yet, just lop off the tops of all the buildings and make 'em all 3 stories all over the CWE...I mean, let's think BIG about this!! Just think, then they can brag that St. Louis is the only city whose high rise district has no buildings higher than three stories. And who knows...maybe New York and Chicago will wise up and follow suit so that now everyone can grow flowers in their urban yards. Hooray for the flower children!!
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Marmar is right; exactly right! Who are these people who b**** about the height of buildings, when they chose to live in a highrise area to begin with? It makes no sense to complain about the height of any new project. It's a non-issue.
This fuss reminds me of a criticism leveled at the Eagleton building a few years ago when it was going up. A "famous" architect here complained bitterly that he hated the Eagleton building because it blocked his view of the arch while he was driving downtown on highway 40. 'Nuff said.
This fuss reminds me of a criticism leveled at the Eagleton building a few years ago when it was going up. A "famous" architect here complained bitterly that he hated the Eagleton building because it blocked his view of the arch while he was driving downtown on highway 40. 'Nuff said.
You are kidding, right? Please say "yes".Jeff Vanderlou wrote:
This fuss reminds me of a criticism leveled at the Eagleton building a few years ago when it was going up. A "famous" architect here complained bitterly that he hated the Eagleton building because it blocked his view of the arch while he was driving downtown on highway 40. 'Nuff said.
? In the Dec. 7 meeting, the Housing, Urban Development and Zoning Committee also approved Opus Northwest's redevelopment plans for the northeast corner of Lindell and Euclid. The developer plans to build a 28-story condominium tower in that location, currently home to the American Heart Association building.
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