Maybe its time we protest that Larry Rice should move his shelter to Clayton???? Lets see how Clayton deals with what Downtown has to deal with on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong i love Clayton however all of this shouldn't be on the shoulders of downtown business's residents and out of town visitors
^ So not only do you dictate that NLEC moves, but you also dictate where it moves to? I hope you're being rhetorical.
Then it comes back around to If Larry gets shut down then would you want him to reopen not far from your home? How do we "spread the pain".bprop wrote:^ So not only do you dictate that NLEC moves, but you also dictate where it moves to? I hope you're being rhetorical.
But then again look at what other charities do. Why is it Larry's place is such a complete disaster for the surrounding areas while the Salvation Army barely gets noticed in Midtown?
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RedOctober wrote:Maybe its time we protest that Larry Rice should move his shelter to Clayton???? Lets see how Clayton deals with what Downtown has to deal with on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong i love Clayton however all of this shouldn't be on the shoulders of downtown business's residents and out of town visitors
I think this is more of a suggestion than dictation.
Downtown has dealt with NLEC for far to long and hasn't gotten anything good from it while the likes of all the smaller municipalities that surround the City including Clayton get off easy by shipping the homeless to downtown. Why doesn't Downtown Clayton have a homeless shelter since its literally our regions 2nd downtown?
I have friends that live a few blocks from NLEC and they hope and pray it gets the boot.
I personally think the place is a disaster and its just one fire away from catastrophe. Lets hope and pray that'll never happen but i heard some crazy rough things about Larry Rice's sanctuary..
Ofcourse Slay isn't a help at all.
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The city/mayor is just piling it on. They are planning on removing the barriers put up to prevent loitering. If you have lived near Larry you will know that about 2 years ago things got way out of hand with as many as 100+ people sleeping on the street across from him. Its was miserable as the people never slept, they just partied and fought. Finally the city put up the barriers and forced the people to move elsewhere. Now they are taking those barriers away again. I know in the past month or so there has been an increase in late night loitering. I almost called the police this weekend, but thankfully a fight broke out and the police ran them off. I encourage you to contact the Mayors Office as removing these barriers is unacceptable.
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Is there anyway that federal authorities could raid this place? I know someone who lives in the area and said the smells and sounds that emanate from that building are horrendous. I doubt there is any upkeep inside that structure. Larry Rice is a criminal, and god-forbid there is a catastrophic disaster in that building, he should be held directly responsible for any loss that becomes of it.
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^A letter slid under the door of the surrounding buildings/lofts stating Mary Ellen Ponder And Capt. Dan Howard have decided to remove the barriers in the next few days. The letter urges tomorrow be a day of calls to protest the removal.
THere are also a list of numbers to call but im not sure its cool to post these on this forum
THere are also a list of numbers to call but im not sure its cool to post these on this forum
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DM me the numbers if you can. I can see the shelter from my loft.
^Can you PM me those as well? My place is right next to that travesty.
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Actually in my experience it's about mental illness more than anything.RedOctober wrote:Being homeless isn't about race its about not holding yourself accountable for your own responsibilities
Source: lived downtown for 2.5 years
and/or substance abuse issues.Greatest St. Louis wrote:Actually in my experience it's about mental illness more than anything.RedOctober wrote:Being homeless isn't about race its about not holding yourself accountable for your own responsibilities
You are both correct. The most disturbing trend I saw in my last year downtown was the # of 16-25year-olds crashing at New Life that had a very obvious and bad heroin addiction.dweebe wrote:and/or substance abuse issues.Greatest St. Louis wrote:Actually in my experience it's about mental illness more than anything.RedOctober wrote:Being homeless isn't about race its about not holding yourself accountable for your own responsibilities
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Right, addiction, which is yet another illness.dweebe wrote:and/or substance abuse issues.Greatest St. Louis wrote:Actually in my experience it's about mental illness more than anything.RedOctober wrote:Being homeless isn't about race its about not holding yourself accountable for your own responsibilities
I don't think St. Louis or the country are even close to ready for the rising heroin crisis that by most indicators shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon. I'm expect a lot more ODs/homelessness/crime and gang violence until policymakers/health officials/law enforcement figure something out.robertn42 wrote: You are both correct. The most disturbing trend I saw in my last year downtown was the # of 16-25year-olds crashing at New Life that had a very obvious and bad heroin addiction.
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LA is experiencing the same thing
As Downtown LA Grows, So Does Urgency To Fix Skid Row
Bales says things had been improving on Skid Row, but they've taken a bad turn since the recession. He says hospitals from the region, and even other states, have been dumping homeless patients on Skid Row illegally, and that jails are releasing inmates without enough preparation. Resources have also been reduced for shelters in favor of other approaches.
As Downtown LA Grows, So Does Urgency To Fix Skid Row
Bales says things had been improving on Skid Row, but they've taken a bad turn since the recession. He says hospitals from the region, and even other states, have been dumping homeless patients on Skid Row illegally, and that jails are releasing inmates without enough preparation. Resources have also been reduced for shelters in favor of other approaches.
I moved here after the barriers were put in place. But I don't see the big deal about removing them. Right now I walk in the street on that stretch. Maybe I'll be able to walk on the sidewalk.
It's currently a narrow sidewalk, where the homeless take up what little of the sidewalk is left. If they remove the barriers, how's that situation going to worsen?
Also, at least it's the perfect time to be doing this. The cold keeps them off the streets at night. The few hardy ones that remain are so bundled up as to not be much of an annoyance.
It's currently a narrow sidewalk, where the homeless take up what little of the sidewalk is left. If they remove the barriers, how's that situation going to worsen?
Also, at least it's the perfect time to be doing this. The cold keeps them off the streets at night. The few hardy ones that remain are so bundled up as to not be much of an annoyance.
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^Yes removing the barriers will help the streets become more walkable. And as long the police prevent mass loitering i really don't care if they are taken down.
The thing that worries most of us was if the police fail to break up the mass loitering, like they did before the barriers.
Before the barriers were put up the sidewalk on the Larry side and across the street were LINED with people. Were talking up to 100+ people hanging on the street. And they were loud, dirty, and disrespectful ALL NIGHT LONG. And at the time the police wouldn't do anything about it. We would call the non emergency line and they would tell us they were not willing to send an officer out. And if did, they would drive by and not do anything. I'm sure people captured pictures. It was embarrassing to have guests over, my family wouldn't come down here, the girl i was dating at the time was constantly harassed, if you were showing your place to a prespecitve buyer or rent there would be no way they would live by that.
The first 5 years i lived near Larry were fine. The occasional street fight, late night drunkenness, etc. No big deal really
But 2-3 years ago when the tent cities were removed on the riverfront and under tucker those homeless made the outside of Larry their new tent city.
Hence finally after so much complaining from us the barriers were put up. THe loitering has increased lately even with the barriers up. And that is what really worries us the most
The thing that worries most of us was if the police fail to break up the mass loitering, like they did before the barriers.
Before the barriers were put up the sidewalk on the Larry side and across the street were LINED with people. Were talking up to 100+ people hanging on the street. And they were loud, dirty, and disrespectful ALL NIGHT LONG. And at the time the police wouldn't do anything about it. We would call the non emergency line and they would tell us they were not willing to send an officer out. And if did, they would drive by and not do anything. I'm sure people captured pictures. It was embarrassing to have guests over, my family wouldn't come down here, the girl i was dating at the time was constantly harassed, if you were showing your place to a prespecitve buyer or rent there would be no way they would live by that.
The first 5 years i lived near Larry were fine. The occasional street fight, late night drunkenness, etc. No big deal really
But 2-3 years ago when the tent cities were removed on the riverfront and under tucker those homeless made the outside of Larry their new tent city.
Hence finally after so much complaining from us the barriers were put up. THe loitering has increased lately even with the barriers up. And that is what really worries us the most
^I lived that exact same experience. We moved in the Annex in "06 and out in '12. You captured it perfectly. It was no more than a nuisance in the early years, but then it quickly became unmanageable and frankly dangerous. I welcomed those barriers with open arms at the end.
I am still at a loss that they did not take action at the last hearing.
I am still at a loss that they did not take action at the last hearing.
That's what I've also noticed: big change at the start of the summer.bigmclargehuge wrote:Hence finally after so much complaining from us the barriers were put up. The loitering has increased lately even with the barriers up. And that is what really worries us the most
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I have been informed by a source close to the Mayor they are NOT coming down.
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^Excellent. Thank you for the update.
It is really unfortunate that these have to be used in the first place. But i guess, outside of having the police patrol constantly, its the best option. Long term i sure hope they can find a solution to remove them and keep the streets clean and safe
It is really unfortunate that these have to be used in the first place. But i guess, outside of having the police patrol constantly, its the best option. Long term i sure hope they can find a solution to remove them and keep the streets clean and safe
Of course not. That would require the person occupying Room 200 of city hall to have a spine.downtown2007 wrote:I have been informed by a source close to the Mayor they are NOT coming down.
