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"But then the richest people I generally come across live closer to the city than further. I want to see all those wealthy folks in the CWE feeding homeless on their front lawns"

The wealthy in the CWE live next to rooming houses, charitable institutions and Churches that support the poor and the homeless. Certainly there are those who like to wall themselves off from the urban experience but on the whole the CWE is a way more integrated neighborhood than, say, Town & Country

A bit confused by the terrible school thing myself, my cousin went to the terrible high school of Roosevelt and now she makes $200k as a head pharmacist. My brother went to school in the city and had a MBA at 22...My friends and I all finished highschool in the city from 2003-2004 and we are either electrical engineers, architects, one is a scientist, other finished at top of his MBA class (and all moved back to the city after college) I went to Dewey Elementary, Bunche middle school

Wildwood_Banker wrote:
With an attitude like that why should we bring the city into the county?

That garbage works both ways. Not just county people "scared" of city issues and problems. You don't see mass problems in Chesterfield because the city would have the police on the issue two minutes after it was called in. And no, it's not because everyone in Chesterfield is a millionaire.

The city should have cracked down on the homeless problem hard years ago. This is what develops with scared leadership who won't make tough decisions.

I don't see how this has much to do with the city/county merger. Even if the two were to merge, you'd still have people who live far from NLEC demonizing those who live nearby and have to put up with all of the s*** that comes with it.

And yes, you're right. The garbage does work both ways. People take pride in Chesterfield because its residents demand that it be kept clean and safe, yet when downtowners demand the same things a lot of people characterize them as uncharitable, snobbish whiners. Or you hear some crap about how "the bums were there first," as if to say that once a neighborhood goes downhill it has to stay that way.

And as far as the CWE goes, imran is correct. When I lived there I could look out my window and see $500k townhouses in one direction and public housing in the other.

Anglophile wrote:

Wildwood_Banker wrote:
With an attitude like that why should we bring the city into the county?

That garbage works both ways. Not just county people "scared" of city issues and problems. You don't see mass problems in Chesterfield because the city would have the police on the issue two minutes after it was called in. And no, it's not because everyone in Chesterfield is a millionaire.

The city should have cracked down on the homeless problem hard years ago. This is what develops with scared leadership who won't make tough decisions.

I don't see how this has much to do with the city/county merger. Even if the two were to merge, you'd still have people who live far from NLEC demonizing those who live nearby and have to put up with all of the s*** that comes with it.

And yes, you're right. The garbage does work both ways. People take pride in Chesterfield because its residents demand that it be kept clean and safe, yet when downtowners demand the same things a lot of people characterize them as uncharitable, snobbish whiners. Or you hear some crap about how "the bums were there first," as if to say that once a neighborhood goes downhill it has to stay that way.

And as far as the CWE goes, imran is correct. When I lived there I could look out my window and see $500k townhouses in one direction and public housing in the other.

Is it me or in the last few years in the CWE it is getting harder and harder to notice the poorer people that live there? I don't mean it as a good or bad thing I just think it is worth noting

I never had a problem spotting poor people when I lived there

Wildwood_Banker wrote: Wait, so "rich" people should have brought poor people with them to their neighborhoods?

Hmmm… this is how I remember the conversation:

YOU: "Chesterfield doesn't have this problem because this."

ME: "No, Chesterfield doesn't have this problem because that."

YOU: "What, so "rIch" people should have done this and that!?"

Whatever it is that "rich" people should or shouldn't have done (about which I said nothing), Chesterfield has fewer problems because the urban poor were unable to follow the wealth into the suburbs, not because Chesterfield's government and police force are superior.

Wildwood_Banker wrote: But then the richest people I generally come across live closer to the city than further.

Anecdotal and not in line with the actual distribution of wealth in the metro. Take a look at a median household income map.

Wildwood_Banker wrote: I want to see all those wealthy folks in the CWE feeding homeless on their front lawns.

And I want to see all those wealthy suburbanites feeding homeless anywhere in their respective "cities", much less on their front lawns.

Wildwood_Banker wrote: Guess the "rich" should just shut up and live in places that have high crime, terrible schools, and bad infrastructure. Or perhaps, those areas should work on political structure, economic reform, crime, etc.

Or, the rest of the metro could just pull it's weight regarding the homeless problem. St. Louis city has no more responsibility than Wildwood to care for many of the homeless that end up there, but Wildwood (and most of the other suburbs) don't bother to offer any services other than a ride to the city. So the city gets overburdened with what should be a shared problem and suburbanites get to look down their noses and say "That's why I don't live in the city."

Anglophile wrote:I never had a problem spotting poor people when I lived there

Unless they show you their bank accounts, you're only making assumptions. Granted, generalizations are true much of the time by looking at outward indicators.

CWE is the most diverse area in the entire metro i would think... As far as NLE it's on life support from many residents who don't want all that mess around them which i don't blame them for as they are tax payers for the city and not to be little the homeless and from what i've heard that the inside of that building is a train wreck needs lots of work done on the inside and this is a man who has millions of $

I always wondered why he wears a rug though....

Presbyterian wrote:

dweebe wrote:Hasn't the rumor always been that Larry Rice lives in a large house on a large track of property somewhere in far West County?

Not the case. His total compensation package is $55k/yr including the cost of health insurance and expense account. That's on the very low end for CEO of a not-for-profit that size. Their financial statements and independent audits are posted on their website. And I think he still stays at the shelter many nights.

He may run a warehouse for the homeless in a newly revitalized area, and I may not appreciate some of his tactics, but I can't call him a hypocrite.

Well, that's what he wants you to believe. His exploitation of the homeless and unwillingness to work with the city's continuum of care indicate disingenuousness. In other words, he and his organization appear to lack integrity.

This lack of integrity and polarizing attitude of portraying residents as insensitive don't gain him many fans. Care can be better provided by services other than NLEC and more proportionally shared by the region as a whole.

I've fought against and dealt with Larry's crap for years. I have zero tolerance for him or his PR antics. Its time for the city to stop him. I'm not just talking about forcing him to move from his downtown location. He is a danger to the homeless and the community. The NLEC needs to be shutdown immediately. Any other organization with his track record would have been shutdown years ago. The fact that he hides under the guise of religion makes him even more despicable.

and taking the homeless to the galleria to protest is the worse way of exploiting them ..I'm not saying i don't respect him cause i do but he's done nothing but given the city problems. Do you think Clayton or St.Charles will put up with his antics ...

Do we know when we can expect a ruling or announcement of a ruling?

^And are there anymore hearings? If so I'd like to attend.

Any update on this?