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I just don't see a good reason why they would be excited about getting maybe 6ish more feet to provide good sidewalks when they already have nine lane widths from eastbound Forest Park connecting to or passing under Grand. I say we re-purpose some of that real estate.

This may be the wrong thread but it seems to me that SLU/city whomever need to redo the intersection of Grand at 40/Forest Park Blvd  The crumbling infrastructure/mess of traffic lights and poor if non existence signage is way past due a major re-do

Someone brought this up during a Road Crew chat a few months ago. The answer provided was something along the lines that it’s on a list of potential projects but funding is the issues.

I think we should commission a study!

^ just one?

I was told my Ald. Davis that there was a study.

Hold on tight!!~1

This is one of the projects that I think would fit the bill for Biden's infrastructure plan to remove highways.   Not so much Hwy 40/I-64 but I can see where you could make the argument that Market/Forest Parkway & Forest Pkwy/Grand Ave need to be reconfigured as a blvd instead of a parkway/highway.  Would take some heavy lifting in short order but assume you can put a reasonable plan/preliminary engineering together in short order starting w phase I of putting in at grade intersection for Forest Pkwy/Grand Ave.  Phase II can be interchnaged reconfiguraion and final phase working east be the Market Street/Forest Parkway reconfiguation 

dredger wrote:Waiting for the City, SLU & Business community to announce the next taking the parkway out of the Forest Parkway project by making FPP & Grand Ave an at grade intersection as part of a greater plan to tee up a rebuild of the FPP & Market intersection/conversion to continuous Blvd.   Hopefully the thought is something more then wish full thinking

This has to be an obvious choice with the new infrastructure money. Sure fix lots of stuff but if we could do 5ish “new or big” projects this easily has to be in that top 5.

LArchitecture wrote:

dredger wrote:Waiting for the City, SLU & Business community to announce the next taking the parkway out of the Forest Parkway project by making FPP & Grand Ave an at grade intersection as part of a greater plan to tee up a rebuild of the FPP & Market intersection/conversion to continuous Blvd.   Hopefully the thought is something more then wish full thinking

This has to be an obvious choice with the new infrastructure money. Sure fix lots of stuff but if we could do 5ish “new or big” projects this easily has to be in that top 5.

100%

Top five, easily.

But could we include that spaghetti mess just across the river in ESTL? I shudder at the thought of how many people were kicked out of their homes for that atrocity.

With that mess, East St. Louis doesn't have a chance.

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LArchitecture wrote: ↑

Dec 17, 2021

dredger wrote:Waiting for the City, SLU & Business community to announce the next taking the parkway out of the Forest Parkway project by making FPP & Grand Ave an at grade intersection as part of a greater plan to tee up a rebuild of the FPP & Market intersection/conversion to continuous Blvd.   Hopefully the thought is something more then wish full thinking

This has to be an obvious choice with the new infrastructure money. Sure fix lots of stuff but if we could do 5ish “new or big” projects this easily has to be in that top 5.

Does anyone know if MoDOT have any skin in the game when it comes to this.  My thoughts is that the state is probably more then willing to divest or simplify the interchange mess around I64 between Grand, Market/FPP (Grand Ave interchange rebuild, etc..).  Thinking along the lines that MoDOT saw a benefit in the old short 22nd parkway mess going away and giving up real estate in exchange for the rebuilt Jeff Ave interchange rebuild currently going on or the fact that they were more then eager to sell off the extra real estate around the rebuilt Kingshighway/I64 interchange a few years ago.   In other words, MoDOT has seem to be a willing partner if it helps them to consolidate its assets so to speak when it comes to the urban core.  

MoDOT put out a call for consultants for a Planning and Environmental Linkages study from Kingshighway to Jefferson for a project of est $65M in July.

dredger wrote: ↑

Dec 17, 2021

Waiting for the City, SLU & Business community to announce the next taking the parkway out of the Forest Parkway project by making FPP & Grand Ave an at grade intersection as part of a greater plan to tee up a rebuild of the FPP & Market intersection/conversion to continuous Blvd.   Hopefully the thought is something more then wish full thinking

It would be amazing to see SLU get behind this effort. I'm not sure the City would take it upon itself, the "business community" at that corner includes a Shell station and drive-thru Starbucks, and SLU seems more interested in selling land for new gas stations than rationalizing auto infrastructure. It'd be great to see it happen though - 9 lanes of Forest Park Ave. there is insane.

Lets hope so! As stated before that entire area [Grand/ Forest Park] is a dangerous confusing mess

^^ Wabash, With business community thinking along the lines of say Foundry, Armory and maybe even Steelcote developers on one hand and Grand Center/Fox/Powell Howeel/Pulitizer folks on the other hand.   

Maybe take a step further, an all electric upgraded Grand BRT line if BiState could get behind it.   You would literally hit all the multimodal factors as well as the multiple infrastructure funding sources coming available.   I'm pretty everyone in party would have something they would like out of it from POTUS Admin to MoDOT, to Gateway/Bi State to the city.    Just need to get beyond a study, agree on improvements and into preliminary engineering

dredger wrote: ↑

Dec 18, 2021

^^ Wabash, With business community thinking along the lines of say Foundry, Armory and maybe even Steelcote developers on one hand and Grand Center/Fox/Powell Howeel/Pulitizer folks on the other hand.   

Maybe take a step further, an all electric upgraded Grand BRT line if BiState could get behind it.   You would literally hit all the multimodal factors as well as the multiple infrastructure funding sources coming available.   I'm pretty everyone in party would have something they would like out of it from POTUS Admin to MoDOT, to Gateway/Bi State to the city.    Just need to get beyond a study, agree on improvements and into preliminary engineering

That all sounds great! There just needs to be some leadership by a primary stakeholder to coordinate those various interests and effectuate a vision - thus highlighting the stark contrast between WashU/BJC/Cortex and SLU/Saint Louis Midtown Redevelopment Corp.

dredger wrote: ↑

Dec 18, 2021

LArchitecture wrote: ↑

Dec 17, 2021

dredger wrote:Waiting for the City, SLU & Business community to announce the next taking the parkway out of the Forest Parkway project by making FPP & Grand Ave an at grade intersection as part of a greater plan to tee up a rebuild of the FPP & Market intersection/conversion to continuous Blvd.   Hopefully the thought is something more then wish full thinking

This has to be an obvious choice with the new infrastructure money. Sure fix lots of stuff but if we could do 5ish “new or big” projects this easily has to be in that top 5.

Does anyone know if MoDOT have any skin in the game when it comes to this.  My thoughts is that the state is probably more then willing to divest or simplify the interchange mess around I64 between Grand, Market/FPP (Grand Ave interchange rebuild, etc..).  Thinking along the lines that MoDOT saw a benefit in the old short 22nd parkway mess going away and giving up real estate in exchange for the rebuilt Jeff Ave interchange rebuild currently going on or the fact that they were more then eager to sell off the extra real estate around the rebuilt Kingshighway/I64 interchange a few years ago.   In other words, MoDOT has seem to be a willing partner if it helps them to consolidate its assets so to speak when it comes to the urban core.  

MoDOT wants to shrink the footprint and untangle that area. It’s a 3-5 year at best before earth moves unless people push for it.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Dec 18, 2021

MoDOT put out a call for consultants for a Planning and Environmental Linkages study from Kingshighway to Jefferson for a project of est $65M in July.

Reminder that this is coming. There will be public engagement. Be sure to get your two cents in. We need to make sure the outcome isn't a plan for more lanes.

THANK YOU! what a mess should have been redone YEARS ago.   "you mean you can head to 40E via Grand N by turning right on some road just past the Starbucks??"
Cars pedestrians bikes trucks buses all in a : whose in which unmarked lane/path to go somewhere game and a dangerous game at that

Anyone have a link for that?

Is this intersection the city's responsibility or MoDOT's? Or was MoDOT just helping out?

quincunx wrote:Is this intersection the city's responsibility or MoDOT's? Or was MoDOT just helping out?

It’s City ROW.

That's my understanding. The Future64 alternatives showed that, but they made recommendations. Then the mayor's office said "Our office is reaching out to MoDOT regarding proposals to improve this area," and I'm nervous we're going to get 9 lanes.

This intersection has been clusterF for a long time.  FINALLY SLU students are being interviewed attesting to the mess that it is.  Maybe if prospective students let their SLU interviewer hear what they are reading/seeing on social media regarding this intersection some action will be taken THIS YEAR?  Nah lets continue to have more studies and lip service regarding this DANGEROUS intersection and in the mean time continue to put  persons in danger.