Get rid of the bushes and add on street parking.
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Is that actually going to happen? Driving through Grand Center can be a pain as it is now.
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They do - though sadly they plan to replace them with trees. Grand is one place I think should be clear of medians.
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I have. I didn't attend the earlier planning meetings - can't get to everything. But I've weighed in on several aspects of the current plan.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... ce1eb.html
Pretty awesome update but a little sad that the sign is going away. I hope they find a good replacement. I think the best news of all is that outside groups will be able to rent it.
Pretty awesome update but a little sad that the sign is going away. I hope they find a good replacement. I think the best news of all is that outside groups will be able to rent it.
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^ good stuff for the building itself.
I just hope the charter school's board didn't do lasting damage to what appeared to be a great school. (quick rehash of recent news: parents and students revolted after the board fired an extremely popular principal and hired a former Clayton HS principal who was fired last year for creating a fake facebook page to monitor and entrap students. Board reconvened to withdraw the new hiring but will not bring back the old principal.) Many parents/students were threatening to leave, so we'll see how it turns out.
I just hope the charter school's board didn't do lasting damage to what appeared to be a great school. (quick rehash of recent news: parents and students revolted after the board fired an extremely popular principal and hired a former Clayton HS principal who was fired last year for creating a fake facebook page to monitor and entrap students. Board reconvened to withdraw the new hiring but will not bring back the old principal.) Many parents/students were threatening to leave, so we'll see how it turns out.
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While I'm stoked the Sun Theatre is being renovated for use by Grand Center Arts Academy, I read the sign will not be staying. I have an email into the Lawrence Group and they said they'll get back to me soon. It would be nice to see it re-used in Grand Center.
NICE!!
When I would pick up up my son for the GCAA, I spent millions of imaginary dollars on new development.
In addition to this, I'd love to see a sliver building on the grass lot across the street in the image. Something modern, glass and steel and high enough to offer views of downtown, be visible from I-64. Also, I'd like to see a parking garage/ground floor retail between Powell and the Missouri Theatre building (sorry art installation.) Consolidate parking and open up the sea of parking lots for modern, low-level to mid-level residential.
The city in my imagination is awesome, guess that's why I stick around.
When I would pick up up my son for the GCAA, I spent millions of imaginary dollars on new development.
In addition to this, I'd love to see a sliver building on the grass lot across the street in the image. Something modern, glass and steel and high enough to offer views of downtown, be visible from I-64. Also, I'd like to see a parking garage/ground floor retail between Powell and the Missouri Theatre building (sorry art installation.) Consolidate parking and open up the sea of parking lots for modern, low-level to mid-level residential.
The city in my imagination is awesome, guess that's why I stick around.
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I frequently have dreams about downtown and other parts of the city where everything is totally familiar, but just a little different (in a good way). It's always a little denser, with buildings on what I know to be vacant lots, and more active. For example, in one of my recent dreams, there were high-rises on the northwest and southwest corners of 7th and Locust.shadrach wrote:The city in my imagination is awesome, guess that's why I stick around.
I always wake up a little disappointed, but feeling like I've seen the future in some weird way.
Anyway, this is great news about the Missouri Theater building! Now, if we could just do something about the Palladium...
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Actually I'd have to disagree a little, I'd prefer the garage be built on the surface parking lot between the FOX, and Grandel Theatre on Washington(at least 6 stories of parking with retail oriented toward Washington, Making it roughly equidistant to Grandel , the Sheldon, the Fox, the Sun, Powell, and the Missouri. Between the Missouri and Powell on Grand i'd prefer a hotel or residential so as not to put a parking garage on Grand which is the center piece of the neighbor hood. And mixed use on all the other lots.Also, I'd like to see a parking garage/ground floor retail between Powell and the Missouri Theatre building (sorry art installation.) Consolidate parking and open up the sea of parking lots for modern, low-level to mid-level residential.
Grand Center's master plan calls for new construction on current surface lots. Notably, they hope to build structured parking in the inner core of new, mid-rise buildings, with retail and residential surrounding the parking, facing the street; sort of like a donut. They have posted some examples they'd like to follow on their Great Streets site.
http://www.grandcenter.org/about/grand- ... t-streets/
http://www.grandcenter.org/about/grand- ... t-streets/
I can't find the examples you mention on the site, but I know of a great on in Cincinnati they could consider. It's a project in the Over-the-Rhine neighrborhood, which has some similarities with Midtown, but probably is most like what St. Louis's Mill Creek Valley neighborhood used to feel like (RIP).
It has 12 condos, 5 new townhomes, and 3,900 sq.ft. of retail, all surrounding a 340 space parking garage which can barely be seen from any sidewalk. It's Phase 1 illustrated here:
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The upper half of the larger project illustrated here:
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A couple of renderings of the view from Vine Street:
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It has 12 condos, 5 new townhomes, and 3,900 sq.ft. of retail, all surrounding a 340 space parking garage which can barely be seen from any sidewalk. It's Phase 1 illustrated here:

The upper half of the larger project illustrated here:

A couple of renderings of the view from Vine Street:


I know, its a confusing site. Its on Page 6 of the Presentation Summary PDF.wabash wrote:I can't find the examples you mention on the site,
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Interesting goings on in Grand Center per this story on Black Rep:
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/a ... c0b86.html
- Grand Center sold the Grandel to an unknown buyer that will be announces once final plans are settled.
- The sale forces Black Rep out and makes them look for new home
- Grand Center is in a capital campaign to build a new 250 seat black box theater on Olive next to historic Wolfner Library to open in 2015 or 16. The Wolfner is at 3844 Olive in GC West and in an area ripe for infill potential. I assume they have plans for the Wolfner as well. Very cool.
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/a ... c0b86.html
- Grand Center sold the Grandel to an unknown buyer that will be announces once final plans are settled.
- The sale forces Black Rep out and makes them look for new home
- Grand Center is in a capital campaign to build a new 250 seat black box theater on Olive next to historic Wolfner Library to open in 2015 or 16. The Wolfner is at 3844 Olive in GC West and in an area ripe for infill potential. I assume they have plans for the Wolfner as well. Very cool.
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^I know those who are in "the know" won't come out and say exactly is happening...but please tell me it's being reused and not demolished for some parking lot.
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This part is particularly exciting. The Wolfner building is really cool.roger wyoming II wrote:Grand Center is in a capital campaign to build a new 250 seat black box theater on Olive next to historic Wolfner Library to open in 2015 or 16. The Wolfner is at 3844 Olive in GC West and in an area ripe for infill potential. I assume they have plans for the Wolfner as well. Very cool.
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I guess I'll have to start some wild and irresponsible specilulation about the possible tenants for the Grandel. It must be something big enough to justify moving the Black Rep. These are pure speculation:
1. After four years, the Repertory Theatre of St. Louis is moving forward with plans to leave the Loretto Hilton and Webster. Perhaps a new building on Grand -- with the Grandel being their smaller, more intimate secondary space. Or maybe just an expanded Grandel.
2. Gupreet Padda and Ami Grimes of Sactuaria, Cafe Ventana and Cathedral Square Brewery--after striking out with the former Second Baptist and St. John's Methodist buildings on Kingshighway--will open their next venture in the Grandel--which is also a former church.
These are the two most obvious possibilities from the perspective of someone who knows nothing.
1. After four years, the Repertory Theatre of St. Louis is moving forward with plans to leave the Loretto Hilton and Webster. Perhaps a new building on Grand -- with the Grandel being their smaller, more intimate secondary space. Or maybe just an expanded Grandel.
2. Gupreet Padda and Ami Grimes of Sactuaria, Cafe Ventana and Cathedral Square Brewery--after striking out with the former Second Baptist and St. John's Methodist buildings on Kingshighway--will open their next venture in the Grandel--which is also a former church.
These are the two most obvious possibilities from the perspective of someone who knows nothing.
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^ Getting Rep Theater down to GC would be Grand, indeed! Let the know-nothing rumors begin!









