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I actually feel the same way. I don't consider myself superstitious, but i don't want to live in a building where thousands of people have died through the years.

Anyone remember that show Fear on MTV. I imagine sleeping is a lot like that at the Georgian...strange moans in the night.

TGE-ATW wrote:I actually feel the same way. I don't consider myself superstitious, but i don't want to live in a building where thousands of people have died through the years.

I don't know...sounds exciting to me.



People have died in every building in the city, and the older the building the more deaths. Most people die at home.



I live in an 1880s townhouse, and I can guess many deaths have taken place there. The seller actually showed me where her mother died (our current dining room) and where her husband died. She still had the bed each died in -- that we did throw out.

Who you gonna call?







Sorry- I couldn't resist!

Arch City wrote:

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
I also don't want to live in a house or apartment where anyone has died - especially if it is the home where a serial killer killed his victims in the basement, buried them in the backyard or in concrete underneath the porch.?

That's a strange opinion. If you live in any older dwelling, there is a very high probability a lot of people died in it. I was researching death certificates online today at the Secy of State's office of people that lived in my house-- most of them died right here, probably in my master bedroom. That includes children, stillborn babies, adults, etc. Morbid, but pretty typical (I'm finding) until the 1920's.

I live in the Georgian. I have never seen a ghost. Neither has the dog.



There could be a deathwatch for the developers and construction company for lack of activity.

Don't you think sales would increase if the place was haunted? The families I know of that live there, love it. They're in early and will patiently await the full build-out of the complex. The units are extremely affordable (almost too low I thought). Their units will probably double in value over the next 5 years.

All joking aside...



I think the redevelopment of the Georgian was great. The units, from what I've seen, look great. But living in that place just isn't something that interests me. Neither does a school, neither does a church. Redeveloped warehouses seem much more like a viable living space to me, and it has nothing to do with dead people or anything like that. But to be honest, I'd rather live in an old row house than either.



I hope that the Georgian is filled, and I think the main reason it isn't is because of the lack of development in the immediate surrounding area. The other buildings on the property, as well as the gigantic surface lot leading to King Louis Square...just isn't attractive right now.

Maybe they'll get some new lighted surface parking across the street soon to spruce things up a bit. I do think the units are going to increase in value, though the Bohemian Hill development (which will happen in one form or another) is going to play a large role in it. If a good plan for that vacant space comes out of the fight that is getting going, people might start buying them as investment property. Buy it as soon as a good Bohemian Hill development plan comes through, sit on it for five years while the development is completed and begins to mature (but be careful not to be killed by ghosts), and sell it. Voila, tidy profit.

Did anyone see Channel 5 this morning? The editor of the St. Louis Business Journal was on, speaking about the developement across the street from the Georgian. According to her, there will be a new grocery store (Sure Value, is that what she said?) as well as a Walgreens. God I hope this isn't more uninspired surburban crap in the city! The full story is to be in the latest edition of the Journal.



Sorry if this is being discussed elsewhere! I couldn't find anything...



Update - Ooops! Just found it! SORRY!

63104mom wrote:If you live in any older dwelling, there is a very high probability a lot of people died in it. I was researching death certificates online today at the Secy of State's office of people that lived in my house-- most of them died right here, probably in my master bedroom. That includes children, stillborn babies, adults, etc. Morbid, but pretty typical (I'm finding) until the 1920's.

I live in a house built in 1924, so obviously I wouldn't be bothered if someone died here previously.



I wouldn't hesitate to live in The Georgian, and I'm glad a building that's such an important part of our city's history in such a prominent location could be saved.



The integrity of that building, and of nearby Bohemian Hill, is about to be compromised if Gilded Age and the powers-that-be in city government get their way. Frankly, I'd rather look at that empty lot for decades than to see another failed strip mall jammed into Saint Louis' unique built environment. So, upon further review, I guess I'll pass.

I would bet that Gilded Age does nothing with the Phase II on the City Hospital grounds tntil the Bohemian Hill project is well under way.



I really don't think they have the resources to do all that they propose. A lot of talk. My take is that the really don't care, and care is what this city needs from developers.

Not really sure what to make of Gilded Age either...they seem to have big plans that never quite work out the way they said they would (is the Union Club development dead?), but that can be said for every developer. Still, with all the $$ they have invested in Lafayette Square area (including many yet to be sold condos), you'd think they'd be very careful in selecting the right kind of development. At least I'd hope so.

My once high opinion of Gilded Age has been falling like a rock lately!

Arch City wrote:

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
You are joking, right?

I also don't want to live in a house or apartment where anyone has died - especially if it is the home where a serial killer killed his victims in the basement, buried them in the backyard or in concrete underneath the porch. To hell, literally, with that. A lot of cities have laws that require disclosure so that a potential homeowner can make up his or her mind regarding such a purchase.



ecoabsence, every building? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?

i hear all of the units come with great sub-zero freezers...

What... are we in kindergarden? Scared of the boogie man? C'mon people. Number one, there has never been a record of anyone being injured or killed because of a haunting. Number two, there is always a logical explanation for wierd sounds.... ESPECIALLY in old, settling buildings. I do not dismiss the possibility of ghosts, but until I see one that is not a piece of blurry dust on a camera lens, otherwise known as a spirit orb, I am not convinced. In my opinion, so what if people have died there, it is a piece of history, why condemn it for what it used to be? It would be different if thousands of people were murdered there. But for however many did die, thousands of more lives were saved there. I think it's rather amazing that a building that once looked like this is now a liveable and somewhat elegant place.







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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

Matt wrote:Don't you think sales would increase if the place was haunted?

You mean "allegedly" haunted. Because no place is, or ever has been, haunted.



Would it hurt or help sales? I guess you would have one group of potential buyers who are in on the joke, and might buy for laughs. You have a second group of potential buyers who would be scared away, because they actually believe that the place could be "haunted".



Sadly, in our society today, I suspect group #2 far out numbers group #1.

CS just because supernatural phenomena are outside the realm of empirical, observable science does not mean they aren't real. But really, hauntings are lame. Everyone knows that alien abductions are where it's at.

I am a rational person who lives in a 122 year old home. I am not scared of ghosts, I haven't decided if I think they exist yet or not. BUT, I would much rather not know. The last thing I ever want to see or experience is some kind of supernatural visitation. It is not about the physical danger posed by the supernatural, as someone earlier mentioned. It is about the psychological danger that (for me) would accompany having to re-work my entire understanding of the world and my place in it. So, because I don't want to know, I trust my instincts to keep myself out of situations where I may be more likely to find out. That is why I wouldn't live in an old hospital. I applaud all three or four people that have actually moved into the Georgian though as it is an absolutely beautiful building, and an excellent example of constructive re-use. I hope more people buy there and move in soon. I guess people are worried about facing an abandoned wasteland to the north (where Gilded Age was supposed to be using its limited resources) and a strip mall to the south (where Gilded Age is planning on using its limited resources).

Said it before, The dog hasn't seen any ghosts. Neither have I!