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brickandmortar wrote:The rendering UrbanSTL showed is the one. The earthquake retrofit hasn't been completed yet so I anticipate that is holding up construction.

It's still the same as it was a month ago

Thanks for the info. I thought maybe someone may have a weblink for further renderings or information, as I've had no luck myself. Sorry if I was asking a dumb question.

^Not a dumb question.......these things can get confusing.



It would be nice to see more detailed renderings. Including interior, floor plan, etc. I want to understand how it will function.

That's what I'd like to see, Expat. I really hope it winds up being a true transportation center instead of a little block building in the Mill Creek Valley. What I'd really like to see once this is complete is maybe Amtrak adding a few routes east, perhaps a DC or NYC route and a southeast route to Atlanta. It would be nice to be able to go east without having to go to Chicago.

These are some renderings of the new multimodal station I came across, not sure how new they are.

I like the very modern look, I wish it was a little more impressive with the size, but overall I like the look.

That's the station that I designed but, alas, not the one being built. For those who don't know, there have been a number of redesigns over the last 15 years. This was the second to the last iteration. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the latest design will be built under 40 while the former design (above) was elevated over the traintracks.



Manchester, where did you get those images? I didn't know these were out floating around. At least they make a nice portfolio entry.

Another lost opportunitty.



I remember those from back a while ago. I was dissapointed when the latest design was revealed.

JC wrote:Thanks for the info. I thought maybe someone may have a weblink for further renderings or information, as I've had no luck myself. Sorry if I was asking a dumb question.

It wasn't a dumb question, just being sarcastic



I saw same rendering in one of more recent Citizens for Modern Transit newsletters.

I like your design, Cityboy, and I like that it was designed to be above the tracks. The idea of hiding a new transportation center under highway 40 sounds like they're trying to hide something (cheap, unattractive...??). Seems to me they'd want to build something that stands out to become a landmark. A pity they'll be forgoing that. According to Xing (thanks for the interesting info) it seems the folks in Chicago would agree.

Shadrach, I think you mean Expat would know more...he lives there...what do you say, Expat? But the rest of what you said makes a lot of sense and I'm in total agreement.

Well, since you asked.....DC uses its old Union Station. There aren't any office towers or hotels on top of it.



Downtown Silver Spring, MD is building a new multi-modal station with a mixed-use building on top.



To me, it doesn't really matter what they are doing in DC. Each situation is different and has it's own market demands. This building will be great as long as it is truly connecting several modes of transportation, especially Amtrak and Metrolink.

Xing wrote:You know, I never mentioned I saw a fly through of those renderings above, at the train station expo at the Art Institute of Chicago. This new station, for St Louis, was a highlight of the show.

Thanks Xing. Yes, this project was featured in an exhibit at the Art Institute of Chicago in the Fall of 2001 called "Modern Trains and Splendid Stations" and is also featured in an accompanying book by the same name. I have the fly-through on VHS but maybe I can find a way to get it into Quicktime for web viewing.



Here are some pictures of the model I built of the Terminal building:



View to the southeast. You can see the westbound 40 on ramp to the left, 40 in the middle and 14th at the top:







View to Southeast 2:







Birdseye view (north is up):







View to northeast (note Savvis in the background):







View to southwest:







Birdseye view to south:







You can see that this building would have had a grand presence along 40/64 and would have made a dramatic arrival point by train or bus but the project as a whole (the bulk of which was roadwork around the center) was over budget by 20 million dollars so everything was cut across the board. Unfortunately, it is no longer elevated above the tracks and instead slithers around the columns of the elevated highway at grade to connect the Metrobus/link stop with the train tracks.



Another cool aspect about the old design was how the bus terminal worked (see sawtoothed roof portion). The busses actually drove around and over the building and docked perpendicularly. The ramp forms a loop on the bus deck. The large bus deck itself provided a great shelter to the waiting platforms below.



As you can see in the images, originally there was to be an enclosed walkway (designed by Jacobs) that connected the terminal to Metrolink and Savvis that contained a moving walkway, shops and a restaurant. All of that was cut out and only the redesigned terminal remains.



While not totally thrilled with the new concept (I do like the new design), I am thrilled this project is finally getting built as it will be great thing for the city as a whole.

shadrach wrote:
For years I've always wondered if Laclede's Landing would be a better spot for the station. This was before they replaced the double mainline with the new trestle.

I've thought the same thing. Many of the open lots such as where Pinnacle is being built used to be railroad freight terminals years ago. I think it would be a great location in relation to downtown. I think the problem with that location would be turning trains for the return to KC. Theres really not enough open room to build a turn around, or wye track.

shadrach wrote:
As one who built model railroads as a teenager, I'm familiar how hard it is to turn a train around. Unless you have a giant oval!

That's no big deal, just pick them up. OK, so maybe that's a little harder with a real train.

Cityboy wrote:
Manchester, where did you get those images? I didn't know these were out floating around. At least they make a nice portfolio entry.

Cityboy,

I actually just did a google image search and came up with the pictures of your design. The webiste is www.hirstdesign.com. I kinda laughed when I read your post because I thought I had found the new design and I was really proud of myself . Great job on the design I really liked all the glass (at least it appeared there was alot of glass in the rendering) What other projects have you worked on in the St. Louis area?

I also vote for Cityboys design. Hawt.

trent wrote:I also vote for Cityboys design. Hawt.

^ Second that.

Multimodal Center groundbreaking announced at MayorSlay.com.

Anyone have an idea on how to keep the current Greyhound building from going vacant when the multimodal station opens?