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PostJul 05, 2005#26

Xing wrote:Everyday a neighbor of mine practices his oboe; the hot artistic girl, in the apartment behind us, does her daily stretches in scanty shorts and a bra-like top; the neighbors below us bang the ceiling with their broom; the neighborhood kids ride bikes and play; whole families play ranchero music and socialize on their back porches.


Thats what I am talking about.....



In my opinion, as a society, we have been trying to avoid our neighbors for too long. And we are less civilized for it.

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PostJul 09, 2005#27

Actually, Metro has offered a monthly pass for decades. It currently costs $50.

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PostJul 09, 2005#28

^Ecoabsence - I think you are responding to me regarding the $50.00 monthly pass by Metro-STL. I was complaining that Metro-DC does not offer a great deal like that. I was pointing out that Metro-STL is a bargain pricewise. When I look back I can see my post was confusing.



By the way, I like your website. Actually, both websites you list.



PS: I still am wondering what typical garage parking costs in downtown St. Louis on a daily and monthly basis. Does anyone know?

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PostJul 09, 2005#29

Parking downtown is easy and plentiful if you aren't lazy.



I pay $1 to park and walk about 1/2 mile to work. You can park near Busch Stadium on a surface lot for $2.25 a day. Stadium East is around $76 a month, the Mansion House is slightly cheaper This article is from last year, but it gives an idea how much is available.



Plenty of parking

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PostJul 09, 2005#30

Average parking in downtown DC is $15.00 per day and $225.00 monthly. Or if you take subway from the suburbs, it costs around $12.00 or $13.00 per day round trip including parking at the station. St. Louis is an incredible transportation bargain.

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PostJul 09, 2005#31

I think you can still get into the Kiener plaza garages for $6 early bird (before 9am) all day, which is ungodly cheap.

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PostFeb 16, 2006#32

Wow, 6+ months and no new info on this. This project intrigued me because it seemed like a nice place to buy downtown on a soon-to-be college graduate budget.



Nobody's seen/ heard anything, huh?

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PostFeb 16, 2006#33

Actually I just saw the building listed for sale on a commercial properties web site... somewhere around $3 million. I guess the project fell through?

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PostJan 30, 2007#34

This thing is alive again!



From the STL Business Journal:



Burghoff drives $10 million condo project downtown

St. Louis Business Journal - January 26, 2007









Matt Burghoff said renovation work on the Ford Apartments will begin immediately and should be completed by late summer.

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Matt Burghoff is planning a $10 million transformation of the Ford Apartments building at 14th and Pine streets downtown into high-end condos.



Burghoff, principal of Kirkwood-based Mambo Development, has the 14-story apartment building under contract for an undisclosed amount from owners Pete Rothschild and Peter Perkins. The sale is expected to close Jan. 31.



Thirteen floors that now have eight apartment units each will be converted to fit two condo units each. The 26 condos will range in size from 1,793 square feet to 1,818 square feet. They will be priced between $403,425 and $454,500.



Burghoff said he was attracted to the rectangular brick tower because it's a stand-alone building, without adjacent buildings to block views. "It has incredible 360-degree views of the city from every side," he said.



Parking will be built into the first floor, and a pool and spa are planned for the rooftop. Two elevators will be equipped with a biometrics identification system that will allow entry directly into each unit. The biometrics system will use fingerprints or palm prints to identify residents.



Burghoff said he will begin immediately on the renovation work, which is expected to be completed by late summer. A 3,000-square-foot commercial space on the ground floor also will be available for lease.



Montgomery Bank is the lender on the project, and Rosemann & Associates is the architect. A general contractor has not yet been selected.



Completed in 1950, the Ford building is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Its namesake is James Leven Ford Jr., a businessman who worked to rid St. Louis of coal smoke in the 1940s.



For the past 10 years, Burghoff has developed office and retail space throughout the region. He developed the $11 million, 36-unit Bee Hat Lofts at 1021 Washington Ave. downtown. That project is distinct in the Washington Avenue loft district because of its steam-blowing lions on the building's exterior.



Burghoff said he plans to develop another signature design on the exterior of the Ford building. On each side of the building, existing limestone squares will be fitted with computer-controlled light-diffusing panels that will light up the building with adjustable colors and patterns.



A public park separates the Ford building from The Lawrence Group's $125 million Park Pacific renovation of the former Union Pacific building at 13th and Olive streets, which will have 142 condos, 30 apartments and 80,000 square feet of office space. "Our strongest area of sales is in our midprice range -- from $350,000 to $450,000," said Steve Smith, president of The Lawrence Group. "That price range is attractive to a very broad segment of the St. Louis area -- empty nesters who want the true urban lifestyle in addition to all the amenities."



Also nearby is Chicago-based Silverstone Communities-Midwest's $18.5 million conversion of the 13-story Blu CitySpaces condo project at 17th and Olive streets, which formerly housed the Bethesda Town House senior apartments. Blu CitySpaces will have 144 units and has a grand opening planned for Feb. 10. Studios will start in the $80,000s, and two-bedroom units will be priced in the low $150,000s.



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PostJan 30, 2007#35

For what it's worth, the stated price/size range comes to exactly $225 and $250/sqft.



This project's success might be even more dependent on "cleaning up" the parks than Park Pacific's.

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PostJan 30, 2007#36

Hopefully these developers will turn up the heat on the city to clean the trash out of that area. They have a lot of money at risk, and don't want to lose their investments.

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PostJan 30, 2007#37

Seems like a good project, although prices make it definitely in the luxury range. Will definitely need some improvements in the surrounding area if there are going to be that many condos in that price range between the Ford, Park pacific, etc. Hopefully they sell at that level.

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PostJan 30, 2007#38

Originally, I thought the Ford renovation was going to be targeted towards young first-time buyers. I guess they decided to go in a different direction. I wonder if Pepino's will remain on the ground level?




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PostJan 30, 2007#39

STLgasm wrote:Originally, I thought the Ford renovation was going to be targeted towards young first-time buyers. I guess they decided to go in a different direction. I wonder if Pepino's will remain on the ground level?


Is that place any good?

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PostJan 30, 2007#40

I work in this area and I have to dodge significant quantities of dog sh*t on the sidewalks everyday. At least I hope it's dog sh*t. Anyway, I don't know if it is because the people who live in the loft district are afraid to take their dogs to the park because they are afraid of the vagrants, or if its just because they don't care. But, some useable outdoor space would probably improve this problem. Then again, the parks may just switch from being infested with trash and vagrants, to being infested with yuppies and dog sh*t. Also, people who don't clean up after their dogs probably don't mind throwing their trash on the ground, so the parks might not get any better looking either way.

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PostJan 30, 2007#41

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
STLgasm wrote:Originally, I thought the Ford renovation was going to be targeted towards young first-time buyers. I guess they decided to go in a different direction. I wonder if Pepino's will remain on the ground level?


Is that place any good?


Not a fan.

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PostJan 30, 2007#42

TGE-ATW wrote:I work in this area and I have to dodge significant quantities of dog sh*t on the sidewalks everyday. At least I hope it's dog sh*t. Anyway, I don't know if it is because the people who live in the loft district are afraid to take their dogs to the park because they are afraid of the vagrants, or if its just because they don't care. But, some useable outdoor space would probably improve this problem. Then again, the parks may just switch from being infested with trash and vagrants, to being infested with yuppies and dog sh*t. Also, people who don't clean up after their dogs probably don't mind throwing their trash on the ground, so the parks might not get any better looking either way.




who doesn't clean up after their dog? especially when it dookies on the side walk.? Some people just don't get it!

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PostJan 31, 2007#43

Anybody ever hear of these "light-diffusing panels?" That should be really cool.

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PostJan 31, 2007#44

As cool as all this sounds I think he will be hard pressed to sell the units on the lower floors at those prices. The mid to higher floors seems much more feasible as those 3-sided views would be pretty awesome.

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PostJan 31, 2007#45

STLgasm wrote:Originally, I thought the Ford renovation was going to be targeted towards young first-time buyers. I guess they decided to go in a different direction.


The first page of this thread tells the story: Rothschild originally planned to sell small units in the $60,000 - 80,000 range. Apparently he found he could make more money by selling the building to this new developer, who has more ambitious plans for the building.



It's a shame, IMO, because I'd like to see housing available downtown for buyers in all price ranges.

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PostJan 31, 2007#46

I think the Blu Cityspaces lofts (mybluspace.com) have some units starting in the 80s. Studios, but still.

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PostJan 31, 2007#47

This will be huge to have this building renovated into upscale condos because it is in a key location and looks like crap right now

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PostMar 07, 2007#48

Looks like work has begun. Judging by the view from outside, the existing apartments have been gutted.

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PostMar 07, 2007#49

This location seems better suited for entry-level buyers, but at any rate, I hope it's a success.

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PostMar 17, 2007#50

Egads! The boarded-up windows really make this building stick out like a sore thumb! I know, to us it's a sign of progress, but I'm afraid to the casual observer, it looks like a huge abandoned building in the middle of downtown. They need to put up one of those giant banners to let everyone know what's going on.

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