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PostDec 06, 2007#101

jlblues wrote:^Yes, I have always thought that would be a great target market for downtown developers. I personally probably know a dozen people that are now renting that would be very interested in buying downtown if they could get in for 125% of their monthly rent, or ~1k a month. I realize that developers could get a better return on the higher end stuff, but since the market for those may be a bit saturated now, it would seem to make sense to go downscale. For whatever reason, local developers don't seem to think so.



I watched several entry level developments in Chicago go pretty fast - they always seem to be in high demand - so I would think it would be a great opportunity to turn around a project fast and move on to the next one. Plus, in my experience, those units appreciate better. You could even have a combination rental/entry level condo building, get a quick turnaround on the condo units, hold on to the rentals until the upscale market picks up again., and then convert, but what do I know?


Well, isn't this what Mybluspace Condos are, entry level? Granted the location could be viewed as sketchy but the prices there start in the 80's. Is this not a development that is attractive to the likes of your friends? Anyone know how that development is even selling?

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PostDec 06, 2007#102

No, really upscale, with direct elevator access to units. 4 units max per floor last I heard, some only 2.

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PostDec 07, 2007#103

Other rehabilitation projects now under construction require revamping many smaller apartments in a building into fewer, larger units. Designs for Ford Condominiums, a renovation of a 1920s building at North 14th and Pine streets, call for converting 104 apartments into 26 units.



"The interior was completely demolished (in the last two months), and then you go back in there with a new floor plan," said John Grey, a senior project manager at Edwardsville, Ill.-based Contegra Construction, the contractor.



Construction is scheduled to start early next month, pending federal approvals. Grey declined to give the construction cost.



In any rehabilitation, the unknown is a key obstacle, Grey said. During construction, workers could discover rotten wood, unplanned piping or wiring or even old newspapers.



"When it comes to renovations, you never know what's behind a wall," he said.


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PostDec 07, 2007#104

I thought the Ford was built in the 50's?.

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PostDec 07, 2007#105

I'm just glad its still moving ahead.

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PostDec 08, 2007#106

A good lesson. Sooner or later someone comes along and implies that a project is dead simply because there is no apparent activity. Everyone assumes it is true. And then we find out things are moving forward. I am really happy this is moving forward, because it is such a great building and location.



Framer, I thought it was the 50s, too. Or maybe 40s.

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PostDec 10, 2007#107

1948, Preston J. Bradshaw, architect.

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PostDec 10, 2007#108

MattnSTL wrote:
Other rehabilitation projects now under construction require revamping many smaller apartments in a building into fewer, larger units. Designs for Ford Condominiums, a renovation of a 1920s building at North 14th and Pine streets, call for converting 104 apartments into 26 units.



"The interior was completely demolished (in the last two months), and then you go back in there with a new floor plan," said John Grey, a senior project manager at Edwardsville, Ill.-based Contegra Construction, the contractor.



Construction is scheduled to start early next month, pending federal approvals. Grey declined to give the construction cost.



In any rehabilitation, the unknown is a key obstacle, Grey said. During construction, workers could discover rotten wood, unplanned piping or wiring or even old newspapers.



"When it comes to renovations, you never know what's behind a wall," he said.


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I believe she's confusing this building with the Ford Motor Building, now known as the West End Lofts. It was built in 1914 according to this article in the West End Word.



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PostDec 10, 2007#109

That would be an egregious error.

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PostDec 10, 2007#110

Sorry, I think I was confused, too. The article talks about both buildings:



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument


When the five-story building at 4100 Forest Park Avenue opened in 1914, it was designed for the production of Model Ts. Ninety-three years later, the former Ford Motor Co. factory will soon house people, not cars.



That transformation into 120 residential loft units and ground-floor retail space requires a serious face-lift — inside and out.


That's the West End Lofts. The date for that building is correct.


Other rehabilitation projects now under construction require revamping many smaller apartments in a building into fewer, larger units. Designs for Ford Condominiums, a renovation of a 1920s building at North 14th and Pine streets, call for converting 104 apartments into 26 units.


This is the Ford Apartments. It was built in 1950:



http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1405+Pine ... p&ct=title



http://www.dnr.mo.gov/shpo/nps-nr/04001562.pdf



From page 5 of the above document:


The Ford Apartments, located at 1405 Pine Streed in St. Louis Missouri, is a fourteen story rectangular brick tower on a limestone base. The Modern building, completed in 1950, is almost completely unadorned.


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PostFeb 13, 2008#111

What's going on with this project? I drove by this evening and there are still boards in the windows. I saw no work trucks... not even a dumpster. Please tell me some good news...

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PostFeb 13, 2008#112

I do know their website is no longer available :?

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PostFeb 13, 2008#113

dina wrote:I do know their website is no longer available :?


I just tried calling their sales office and got a recording saying the number is not in service. Their name and contact info has also been deleted from several online directories of St. Louis condos, sufficiently recently that it still shows up in Google searches that presumably detect references on cached versions of the pages in question...

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PostFeb 13, 2008#114

Thanks for playing detective, Hugh. This is all very discouraging. My hunch is that the project is dead. What a shame. I love that building, and the storefronts have a lot of potential to add life to that block.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#115

NOT good news



But anyone could have told them their strategy was WAY out of line.



This building would be suited more for a lower end selling price or apartments as in their previous life.



I dont know how far along they got on the abestos cleanup.



All I know is there are no windows anymore and maybe halfway tore up on the inside.



They dont seem to have improved it at all, and have probly left it in WORSE shape than it was in the first place :roll:



Look for the homeless peoples to breach this building and further send it into decline

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PostFeb 26, 2008#116

The project is not, I repeat, not dead. The money just came in last week for construction. This comes from a source that is close to the construction.

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PostFeb 26, 2008#117

^ Excellent news, Matt. Does the plan remain the same?

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PostFeb 26, 2008#118

MattnSTL wrote:The project is not, I repeat, not dead. The money just came in last week for construction. This comes from a source that is close to the construction.


Still have the 40% contingency or no?

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PostFeb 26, 2008#119

innov8ion wrote:^ Excellent news, Matt. Does the plan remain the same?


As far as I know.



I don't know when work will actually start, I just know that the money came in last week.



About the 40%, I don't know. I would guess yes, but I really don't know. May just be finalizing architecture work right now. Not sure how far along the process they are.

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PostFeb 26, 2008#120

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MattnSTL wrote:The project is not, I repeat, not dead. The money just came in last week for construction. This comes from a source that is close to the construction.


Still have the 40% contingency or no?


ooops, totally thought I was posting in the skyhouse thread.... humbug, I was all excited about SH, this is good news too.

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PostFeb 26, 2008#121

Great news. Hah, these threads entertain me. Every week it seems like there's new news suggesting the project is either failing or right on track. :lol:

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PostFeb 26, 2008#122

^ For a real laugh, check out the Bottle District forum.

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PostFeb 27, 2008#123

^Ahh come on. Don't put a new member through that. :wink:

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PostFeb 27, 2008#124

MattnSTL wrote:The project is not, I repeat, not dead. The money just came in last week for construction. This comes from a source that is close to the construction.


That's good to hear, but I wonder why there's no longer a website or working phone number?

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PostFeb 27, 2008#125

I don't buy it. With the website down, the ground floor sales office dormant and no working phone number, this project in its most recent form appears dead as a doornail, despite what anyone "close to the project" says. On the off chance that this project is still a go, I think their execution, marketing and overall perception are absolutely deplorable and embarrassing. I don't know how they can expect to sell $400,000+ condos when they don't have their pre-sales act together. If they want to attract buyers they need to be polished and on their game. The building has been abandoned for at least a couple of months now. I have no doubt that this building will eventually be rehabbed, but the Ford Condos as they are proposed? I'll believe it when I see it.

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