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TheNewSaintLouis wrote:Has St.Louis always had one of the larger african american populations in the country?

City of St.Louis
23rd in % with 49.4%
18th in Grand Total # with 157,000

St.Louis Metro Area
20th in % with 18%
14th in Grand Total # with 516,000

So not sure "one of the larger" applies.

^ St. Louis has the 14th largest black population and one of only 14 metros with over half a million black people.

goat314 wrote:^ St. Louis has the 14th largest black population and one of only 14 metros with over half a million black people.

to me "one of the larger" would be top 5, maybe top 10

article basically states that region's reputation took a hit and so did university enrollment.

http://m.bizjournals.com/stlouis/print- ... 700&r=full

^ enrollment or applications? and by how much? (i can't access the article.) if enrollment is down that would mean that students pulled out in the middle of the school year.

This year has to be St Louis' worst year...ever. I would honestly much rather prefer massive economic decline than riots and social injustice. This year started with such high hopes, many new projects announced for the city, only for this bs to completely ruin and trash this city. With this horrific hammer attack, we need to realize we are at ROCK BOTTOM. I love St Louis, don't get me wrong, but this city is quite honestly trash right now. Also I know 16 people off the top of my head who were set on applying to St Louis colleges, but since the violence they have completely removed it from their list. The damage this year has inflicted upon this region is catastrophic. It will take DECADES for this region to recover. My predictions for the coming year: Tourism plummets to record lows (although even through the violence average hotel bookings were reported), Start ups will now seek other places instead of STL to grow, Thousands leave ths metro area to other cities because frankly a great deal of St Louisans find the area disgusting following what has occurred. I honestly never thought I would turn my back on St. Louis, however ever since I have seen how poorly this whole situation was handled, at this point I am no longer considering looking at SLU or Webster. I was really looking forward to moving back, but at this point St Louis has hit rock bottom and as it seems there is no signs that St Louis will begin to improve anytime soon. I estimate the region will begin posting population losses within the next few years.

^ with due respect, Chalupa, I think you're overreacting again…

Chalupas54 wrote:I honestly never thought I would turn my back on St. Louis, however ever since I have seen how poorly this whole situation was handled, at this point I am no longer considering looking at SLU or Webster.

…and this attitude only perpetuates the problem.

if you don't want to move back then don't, but be sure to take note of the irony.

Chalupas54 wrote:This year has to be St Louis' worst year...ever. I would honestly much rather prefer massive economic decline than riots and social injustice. This year started with such high hopes, many new projects announced for the city, only for this bs to completely ruin and trash this city. With this horrific hammer attack, we need to realize we are at ROCK BOTTOM. I love St Louis, don't get me wrong, but this city is quite honestly trash right now. Also I know 16 people off the top of my head who were set on applying to St Louis colleges, but since the violence they have completely removed it from their list. The damage this year has inflicted upon this region is catastrophic. It will take DECADES for this region to recover. My predictions for the coming year: Tourism plummets to record lows (although even through the violence average hotel bookings were reported), Start ups will now seek other places instead of STL to grow, Thousands leave ths metro area to other cities because frankly a great deal of St Louisans find the area disgusting following what has occurred. I honestly never thought I would turn my back on St. Louis, however ever since I have seen how poorly this whole situation was handled, at this point I am no longer considering looking at SLU or Webster. I was really looking forward to moving back, but at this point St Louis has hit rock bottom and as it seems there is no signs that St Louis will begin to improve anytime soon. I estimate the region will begin posting population losses within the next few years.

It was not a great year at all but I don't think this is the death of st. Louis or the worse year ever. I don't think Ferguson would have a Impact that would last years ( not counting in the Town of Ferguson).
Michael Allen tweeted to day If my email inbox and phone calls are any indication, the "unrest" is not slowing investment in historic #STL neighborhoods at all.

Yes are going to have a hard winter but this would not kill the development in the city and region. Most people if if they wanted to
to leave the region over this can not simply give up there jobs, house and friends over one event.

this year not a good year at all even for the whole country with Ebola, Economy, ect So lets not panic to a year or so.

urban_dilettante wrote:^ with due respect, Chalupa, I think you're overreacting again…

Chalupas54 wrote:I honestly never thought I would turn my back on St. Louis, however ever since I have seen how poorly this whole situation was handled, at this point I am no longer considering looking at SLU or Webster.

…and this attitude only perpetuates the problem.

if you don't want to move back then don't, but be sure to take note of the irony.

Since you aren't my age, I am unsure if you are aware the image this casting on upcoming generations of St Louis. The damage is very deep.

urban_dilettante wrote:^ enrollment or applications? and by how much? (i can't access the article.) if enrollment is down that would mean that students pulled out in the middle of the school year.

Here is a snip it from the article

A University of Missouri-St. Louis spokesman said that although fall enrollment this year set a record, "Ferguson negated that record somewhat."

"We were trending toward a 4 percent increase in enrollment on Aug. 8, but the final tally was only up 1.5 percent (from last year)," UMSL spokesman Bob Samples said in an email. "We saw the drop off — including enrolled students who just did not show up — primarily among international and out-of-town students."

At Saint Louis University, this year's freshman class was 1,605 students — the third largest for SLU and an increase of 2 percent from last year, according to SLU spokesman Clayton Berry. But SLU, too, has heard from students who did not come because of unrest surrounding Ferguson. The university knows of two international students who had paid deposits but chose not to enroll, citing unrest in the region, Berry said.

Another article in the business journal stated

Enrollment in largest 19 colleges/universities in the region are down 16,000 students from 118k in fall 2013 to 102k this fall.

moorlander wrote:

urban_dilettante wrote:^ enrollment or applications? and by how much? (i can't access the article.) if enrollment is down that would mean that students pulled out in the middle of the school year.

Here is a snip it from the article

A University of Missouri-St. Louis spokesman said that although fall enrollment this year set a record, "Ferguson negated that record somewhat."

"We were trending toward a 4 percent increase in enrollment on Aug. 8, but the final tally was only up 1.5 percent (from last year)," UMSL spokesman Bob Samples said in an email. "We saw the drop off — including enrolled students who just did not show up — primarily among international and out-of-town students."

At Saint Louis University, this year's freshman class was 1,605 students — the third largest for SLU and an increase of 2 percent from last year, according to SLU spokesman Clayton Berry. But SLU, too, has heard from students who did not come because of unrest surrounding Ferguson. The university knows of two international students who had paid deposits but chose not to enroll, citing unrest in the region, Berry said.

Another article in the business journal stated

Enrollment in largest 19 colleges/universities in the region are down 16,000 students from 118k in fall 2013 to 102k this fall.

I suspect of a hunch this would be only a short term Problem and would start to correct its self by the spring, and by the fall of next year be back to normal. I wouldn't panic until where a few years down the road, and things hadn't improved.

Ps im getting tired of all this gloom and doom, sounds like the Post dispatch comments sometimes (except without the racist comments)

16,000 students. That's 3 quarters of Scottrade Center, the entire population of Clayton, if that isn't alarming I don't know what is.

Well to put it in context 14k comes from just 3 schools. Webster and SIUE both down roughly 6k each.

Webster as an institution seems to be in trouble. It is also closing some of it's campuses outside of St. Louis. Perhaps it has just gotten so expensive people aren't willing to pay for education there anymore. I certainly wouldn't, and I just finished sending in my college applications.

Maybe things are just down, it happens. college enrollment doesn't always go up every year. What i think hurts the Ferguson narrative is why would SIUE be down? Its in Illinois, so I don't think Ferguson would effect enrollment there? But someone on the forum said before, Expect every business and regional leader to blame everyone of their shortcoming on Ferguson, and not leadership.

Chalupa, technically I am on the outside looking it. I've been living in Virginia for the past 8 years. Just finished my doctorate and I intend to move back to STL ASAP. I'm not trying to be judgmental of you; I'm just saying that overreacting only worsens the problem. So potential college kids who know nothing about St. Louis are changing their minds (purportedly) based on the recent media coverage. Okay fine. If it's true, it's a temporary effect that'll be forgotten about as soon as the media moves on to the next tragedy. The fervor will subside and life in St. Louis will return to normal, hopefully with the exception of some positive changes in the way law enforcement and the judicial system interact with the black community. St. Louis does not change quickly, but the pace is picking up and progress continues despite the Ferguson tragedy. It's a setback, for sure, but I just don't see the sky falling.

On another note...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... ef983.html -- Belmar claims Rams apologized for hands up gesture

This whole story is a farce. It's hard to believe the sheer gall of the police in this situation--it's almost like they're pouring salt on the wound. From Roorda's letter:

I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I'd remind the NFL
and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products.

Can you believe this guy?! Equating a symbolic gesture of protest with some kind of solidarity with "violent thugs" (what word do you really wanna use, Jeff?) And the whole first amendment thing is just bizarre--acknowledging the players' rights while trying to punish them for exercising them.

To me it says a lot about the attitude of the police in the region. It also says a lot about why/how the region got to this point.

This radio interview with Charles Barkely is a must listen. I wish he would come and be Mayor of St. Louis.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.2029358

Remember, there was just 5 out of 53 Rams players who apparently believe that Mike Brown was shot for absolutley no reason with his hands in the air. Or probably about the same percentage as the general public.

The Deandre Joshua murder is being under reported. Here's an insane amount of breakdown:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ua-murder/

wustl_eng wrote:On another note...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... ef983.html -- Belmar claims Rams apologized for hands up gesture

This whole story is a farce. It's hard to believe the sheer gall of the police in this situation--it's almost like they're pouring salt on the wound. From Roorda's letter:

I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I'd remind the NFL
and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products.

Can you believe this guy?! Equating a symbolic gesture of protest with some kind of solidarity with "violent thugs" (what word do you really wanna use, Jeff?) And the whole first amendment thing is just bizarre--acknowledging the players' rights while trying to punish them for exercising them.

To me it says a lot about the attitude of the police in the region. It also says a lot about why/how the region got to this point.

"hands up, don't shoot" implies that police go around shooting people for no reason. If I was an officer I'd be offended too!

leeharveyawesome wrote:This radio interview with Charles Barkely is a must listen. I wish he would come and be Mayor of St. Louis.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.2029358

Remember, there was just 5 out of 53 Rams players who apparently believe that Mike Brown was shot for absolutley no reason with his hands in the air. Or probably about the same percentage as the general public.

The Deandre Joshua murder is being under reported. Here's an insane amount of breakdown:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ua-murder/

That's chilling stuff. I'm interested more in this Luther Head character. He's already spent more than 5 years in jail for drug traffiking.