Hiberina in Dogtown by the same company took 2 years and 10 months from announcement to welcoming residents. There were times I thought the project stalled.
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Wow. Thanks for sharing those!hebeters2 wrote:demo? We have been here before (rare photos)
I have barely opened the extensive rare photo collection that I have of the St. Louis region
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They’re saying the project should be complete Q1 of 2022, but they had also anticipated breaking ground Q1 of 2020 originally...addxb2 wrote:Hiberina in Dogtown by the same company took 2 years and 10 months from announcement to welcoming residents. There were times I thought the project stalled.
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^ Well a Q2 (or even early Q3) 2020 start isn’t that much of a delay. Especially compared to how long so many other projects in this town end up on the back burner. Seems they could get this up within a year and a half to two years and still meet that opening date or maybe it gets pushed back a few months. Who cares? This is happening, the lot is closed, the strip mall has been vacated...things take time. 310 DeB across the street is the exception, not the rule.
Project goes to the Board of Adjustment on July 8th.
APPEAL #11381 – Appeal filed by Trivers, from the determination of the Building Commissioner in the denial of a building permit authorizing the Appellant to construct a mixed-use building, per plans, at 301-311 DeBaliviere Ave.
WARD 28 #AB-556042-20
ZONE: “H” – Area Commercial District
APPEAL #11382 – Appeal filed by Trivers, from the determination of the Building Commissioner in the denial of a building permit authorizing the Appellant to build new mixed-use building, per plans, at 5720 DeGiverville Ave.
WARD 28 #AB-556041-20 ZONE: “A” – Single-Family Dwelling District and
ZONE: “H” – Area Commercial District
How was 301 denied? H zoning doesn't permit what's proposed? Stupid.
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And why was it denied?quincunx wrote:How was 301 denied? H zoning doesn't permit what's proposed? Stupid.
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Because it didn't meet the H zoning code. Maybe the parking minimum?
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I believe this is the standard procedure to get the required zoning changes - similar to all of the zoning denials that occurred in the Grove for the various proposed multifamily projects (on Hunt, Vista, Newstead, etc).
Right, you apply for the building permit, get denied due to zoning regs, then get a variance or get the zoning changed. The standard procedure is stupid.
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I don't disagree with you there. It's just a good reminder that many of these denials by the Building Commissioner aren't because they don't agree with the development plans, they're just limited by statute (or whatever the city law is). The developers know going into things that these are the hoops that have to be jumped through and it's all planned out.
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Ah, thanks for the clarification on this... what a waste of time and resources.chaifetz10 wrote:I don't disagree with you there. It's just a good reminder that many of these denials by the Building Commissioner aren't because they don't agree with the development plans, they're just limited by statute (or whatever the city law is). The developers know going into things that these are the hoops that have to be jumped through and it's all planned out.
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I suppose this is in anticipation of the construction fences going up.
Stltoday - $92 million development near Forest Park Metrolink station hits roadblock as competitor pushes for parking
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1bb2f.html
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Oh Jesus Christ...tztag wrote:https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1bb2f.html
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So stupid. Are SLPS schools kids supposed to forego more tax base to satiate people's parking fetish?
We def dropped the ball on no following through on the FBC years ago. It had no parking mins.
Also what part of the Pearl development is in the 26th ward? It seemed they abandoned plans to acquire and develop the Metro parcel on the east side of DeBaliviere.
We def dropped the ball on no following through on the FBC years ago. It had no parking mins.
Also what part of the Pearl development is in the 26th ward? It seemed they abandoned plans to acquire and develop the Metro parcel on the east side of DeBaliviere.
I can't read the article, but wow. What's worst case here? Is this in real danger of being stopped/will they have to change the design?
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Here's a link to read the full article, without needing a STL PD subscription: https://outline.com/LCPNz9
And Lux is definitely playing with fire. It seems extremely petty for one developer to resurrect some neighborhood organization that's been dormant for decades just to try and kill their closest competition. Best case scenario, they delay Pearl's project for some time, allowing them to open up first and get a jump start on leasing.
And Lux is definitely playing with fire. It seems extremely petty for one developer to resurrect some neighborhood organization that's been dormant for decades just to try and kill their closest competition. Best case scenario, they delay Pearl's project for some time, allowing them to open up first and get a jump start on leasing.
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If you’d like to remind them of the benefits of TOD, community led design process, or your opinion of their actions.
If you’d like to remind them of the benefits of TOD, community led design process, or your opinion of their actions.
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So instead of new construction housing and high quality retail, Lux would like be across from a dingy and half vacant strip mall? If I was in the market for a rental I would pay extra for proximity to a development like that.
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If I had to guess as to what their strategy is, it would be one of three things:
1) Cause enough delay to gain a competitive advantage in leasing. If the other project is delayed by a year or two, then they get that much more time to be the only apartment building along that stretch.
2) Hope that they can somehow force Pearl to abandon the project and then someone acquire the land themselves.
3) Gain some additional incentives or monetary concession through negotiating with the city and/or Pearl.
Lux certainly knows that an empty lot across the street from them won't be permanent. They just want to be enough of a creaky wheel to get some form of grease.
1) Cause enough delay to gain a competitive advantage in leasing. If the other project is delayed by a year or two, then they get that much more time to be the only apartment building along that stretch.
2) Hope that they can somehow force Pearl to abandon the project and then someone acquire the land themselves.
3) Gain some additional incentives or monetary concession through negotiating with the city and/or Pearl.
Lux certainly knows that an empty lot across the street from them won't be permanent. They just want to be enough of a creaky wheel to get some form of grease.
It's just surprising that Lux would take on the additional cost of these delay tactics. I guess they made a boatload on the sale of the TriBeCa building, but still, the margins on a project like 310 DeBaliviere can't be all that big - especially in the current economic environment. Just weird to take on thousands of dollars of additional lawyers fees, for what exactly?
In addition to all of the valid arguments already put forth, if I were their construction loan lender I might call up and say "you guys focus on what you do best, building buildings and making sure you can pay me back, not picking potentially expensive fights with your neighbors that could cause political and popular backlash resulting in delays of your project cash flowing."
In addition to all of the valid arguments already put forth, if I were their construction loan lender I might call up and say "you guys focus on what you do best, building buildings and making sure you can pay me back, not picking potentially expensive fights with your neighbors that could cause political and popular backlash resulting in delays of your project cash flowing."