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i walked from 19th to 13th along Washington yesterday to go to the gym and saw 4.

^ In my anecdotal experience, I consistently see more police in Downtown than anywhere else in the city. Granted, my stretch of Washington Ave may see more police presence than other parts of Downtown.

Still none on Metrolink, and the general "lawlessness" (smoking both cigarettes and weed on trains and platforms, rolling joints on the seat, selling transfers from a big stack, loud ass music, fights) is getting worse. Maybe not as many murders, assaults, or robberies (recent story on this forum notwithstanding) - I really don't know - but general lack of order.

I think St. Louis County PD is in charge of the Metrolink safety task force? Does St. Louis County stop their patrols at City limits? If so, does anyone know if they account for the time of the X (16?) city police officers assigned to Metrolink, whether through duty logs or an informal process?

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I don't think it was brought up here yet but there was a nice undercover operation in Dutchtown a week or so ago that nabbed some nasty carjackers in the act. I think this group got like three cars in one morning and were parking them on a sidestreet.

And in general it's interesting to learn that the greater difficulty in stealing cars due to some tech advances is having the side effect of producing more carjackings. I think if we'd have standard GPS on cars that would have a big dent into carjackings.

bprop wrote: ↑

Jan 23, 2018

Still none on Metrolink, and the general "lawlessness" (smoking both cigarettes and week on trains and platforms, rolling joints on the seat, selling transfers from a big stack, loud ass music, fights) is getting worse. Maybe not as many murders, assaults, or robberies (recent story on this forum notwithstanding) - I really don't know - but general lack of order.

I think St. Louis County PD is in charge of the Metrolink safety task force? Does St. Louis County stop their patrols at City limits? If so, does anyone know if they account for the time of the X (16?) city police officers assigned to Metrolink, whether through duty logs or an informal process?

I've seen county police on metrolink at CWE station, where they got back on the westbound train.
yet to see any STL City police on metrolink from union station to CWE, ive seen the metro police* about 3-4 times. this morning 2+ a dog were standing at the top of the stairs of the CWE station.

*(not metro paid 3rd party security guards that couldn't run 10 feet to stop someone)

Rooster wrote:Went downtown Saturday to the Blues games, went to Wash Ave, had dinner, went to BPV had a beer and then walked to the Blues game.
We got downtown early and parked on the street in front of the Federal Courthouse. We all commented on our way home that we did not see one police officer ( the entire night and we did a lot of walking) until we got in front of Scottrade.
Honestly, we were a bit surprised and in hind sight it was a bit unnerving.

May i ask why this was unnerving....? I walk around a lot of places and don’t see police. What did you see that made you so uncomfortable?

bprop wrote: ↑

Jan 23, 2018

Still none on Metrolink, and the general "lawlessness" (smoking both cigarettes and week on trains and platforms, rolling joints on the seat, selling transfers from a big stack, loud ass music, fights) is getting worse. Maybe not as many murders, assaults, or robberies (recent story on this forum notwithstanding) - I really don't know - but general lack of order.

I think St. Louis County PD is in charge of the Metrolink safety task force? Does St. Louis County stop their patrols at City limits? If so, does anyone know if they account for the time of the X (16?) city police officers assigned to Metrolink, whether through duty logs or an informal process?

It definitely seems like this "lawlessness" has been worse recently. The fringes of the red line have always been bad but I've noticed people being a lot more bold with their activities in the central corridor (Forest Park, CWE,Grand...). I will say that there appears to be more Securitas personnel on the trains and platforms but they really do not appear to be having any sort of positive effect on what people do. It certainly does not seem to have inspired them check fares more often.

I know the SLMPD has several Metro units that bounces around between stations. I've never seen them actually on the train but instead just sitting in their squad cars. Usually you can see them at the Grand station in the gravel lot near the armory.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 6ccb4.html

Granted this is likely an isolated incident but still pretty scary as I work very close. I tend to avoid walking around the Union Station area even during the day and am not surprised that the former Sheraton is having trouble staying open in that area.

This is one of those corners downtown that even at 1pm on a weekday you could get away with just about anything. Neither Street is busy, little office workers, and the Metro station is in a ditch.

I’ve emailed Haden about increased Metro presence. I’m not suggesting there be an officer on every train or platform but there should be uniformity that riders can recognize. If I feel unsafe, I know there’s an officer at X station and I can get off.


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I work several blocks away and this is scary.

Isolated or not, a murder in the middle of the afternoon, in the middle of DT, by one the most historic buildings in STL.... is, well, really disturbing. Another example of the brazen-IDGAF attitude from criminals and it puts innocent lives at risk.

Thugs don't care. Absolute failure.

Hopefully a reactivated Union Station will turn things around for the area

While is unacceptable it’s important to note that it wasn’t random. Stemmed from an argument between the 2. It won’t cause me not to continue to use the Metro station there.


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The shooting at Union Station Metro - the murdered knew the murderer and was a target... just like almost every murder in this city.

matguy70 wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

^ Yea, doesn't seem like their "struggle" is the actual story here.

This is 2018. We don't condemn criminals, we sympathize with them. We don't call out a failure of a sect of society, we blame those who don't kill, carjack, or rob as the reason for their plight.

It's becoming rather humorous as the city flounders.

On a different note: I talked to a Managing Partner of Edward Jones recently. I noted how much EDJ does in terms of philanthropy in the metro area. And how EDJ has no problem buying naming rights to the dome along with heavy sponsorship at Scottrade and Chaifetz. And then I asked why not take the leap and move your HQ downtown,

His reply, "crime, no chance."

Summarizing last 1.5 pages of this thread:

* Rooster is out and about DT on a Sunday. Walked several places didn’t see any cops. Felt unsafe.

* moorlander asks why he felt unsafe?

* Two days later, in the MIDDLE OF A WEEKDAY, in DT – not too far from where Rooster spent time over the weekend, near public-transportation access point & fairly busy parking lot there’s a shooting/murder

There’s the usual it wasn’t random / it is isolated / etc. – all maybe true – but the shooting directly links to Rooster’s concerns (and concerns many have btw) from just a few days earlier. Want to see cops DT because…. DT is empty, especially on the weekend, and bad sh*t happens a lot in this city. Cops are a deterrent to bad sh*t happening.

matguy70 wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

What the hell is this headline on KTVI? Seriously, we are suppose to feel sorry for this "struggling" family? Really? Their one son murdered a cop in cold blood and the other started a fight on a Metro train and got murdered as he stepped off of the train on a crowded station platform putting innocent lives in harms way. What?

http://fox2now.com/2018/01/24/family-st ... -shooting/

Well #1, the brother is on trial for shooting a police officer, not killing one. And #2, yes, we can still feel bad for the family, regardless of the actions of these two men.

Being not a total dick and condoning crime are not the same thing. We can empathize with the family while still being against shooting other people.

ricke002 wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

matguy70 wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

What the hell is this headline on KTVI? Seriously, we are suppose to feel sorry for this "struggling" family? Really? Their one son murdered a cop in cold blood and the other started a fight on a Metro train and got murdered as he stepped off of the train on a crowded station platform putting innocent lives in harms way. What?

http://fox2now.com/2018/01/24/family-st ... -shooting/

Well #1, the brother is on trial for shooting a police officer, not killing one. And #2, yes, we can still feel bad for the family, regardless of the actions of these two men.

Being not a total dick and condoning crime are not the same thing. We can empathize with the family while still being against shooting other people.

I empathize with the Mom. I can't even understand what must be going on inside her head and heart.

But all the violent crime is becoming a tired story. I used to care that I couldn't bring my two kids to DT without being concerned.

Now I don't care, we go other places. And I spend $$.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

We don't condemn criminals, we sympathize with them.

So what's your point then?

I can condemn criminals AND sympathize with their family.

Your stance seems to be that the parents/mother are surely to blame for the death of a son and bad choice(s) of another son.

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Jan 25, 2018

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

We don't condemn criminals, we sympathize with them.

So what's your point then?

I can condemn criminals AND sympathize with their family.

Your stance seems to be that the parents/mother are surely to blame for the death of a son and bad choice(s) of another son.

Please re-read my latest post above. I totally feel for the Mom. As for you using the term "bad choices"..I have to laugh. When I was 22, bad choices were smoking weed, getting too drunk....Not ambushing cops and trying to kill them. Bad choices.....smh

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

ricke002 wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2018

We don't condemn criminals, we sympathize with them.

So what's your point then?

I can condemn criminals AND sympathize with their family.

Your stance seems to be that the parents/mother are surely to blame for the death of a son and bad choice(s) of another son.

Please re-read my latest post above. I totally feel for the Mom. As for you using the term "bad choices"..I have to laugh. When I was 22, bad choices were smoking weed, getting too drunk....Not ambushing cops and trying to kill them. Bad choices.....smh

So after being called out, you've changed your stance?

And are we now having a contest as to who's bad choices are badder? Does that make the cop get un-shot? Who gives a crap if I labeled it a "bad" choice? Was it a "good" choice to shoot a cop?

You didn't call me out. I feel for the Mom. One son is dead, and one son tried to kill a cop. Yikes.

You and I will forever be polar opposites when it comes to crime. And that's fine. It's a good debate. All I know is the status quo sucks c*ck. Violent crime is out-of-control and the city is suffering because of it.

That's all.