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PostJan 09, 2017#6526

Want to fix gun violence in America? Go local.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... in-america

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PostJan 09, 2017#6527

STLrainbow wrote:Pretty good look on the progress/frustration with the "comprehensive crime plan" announced Dec 2015...

One year in, some progress, some frustration with St. Louis crime plan
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 44e30.html
This is what happens when you rely solely on social programs to reduce crime without strict policing methods and punishment. You need both.


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PostJan 10, 2017#6528

FiveThirtyEight - U.S. Cities Experienced Another Big Rise In Murder In 2016
Among the notable rises outside of Chicago were increases of 56 percent in Memphis, 61 percent in San Antonio, 44 percent in Louisville, 36 percent in Phoenix and 31 percent in Las Vegas. Taken together, those six cities accounted for 76 percent of the overall big city murder rise in 2016.
The 2016 murder capital of the U.S.

St. Louis likely remained the national murder capital of the United States based on murder rate, with nearly 60 murders per 100,000 residents. St. Louis has had the country’s highest murder rate each year since 2014. Baltimore likely had the country’s second-highest murder rate for the second-consecutive year with roughly 52 murders per 100,000 residents, with Detroit, New Orleans and Cleveland probably rounding out the top five. The table below shows the top 10 big cities in terms of estimated murder rate calculated using the FBI’s 2015 population totals for each city. This kind of cross-city comparison can be tricky, however, because cities draw their borders differently: St. Louis and Baltimore, for example, include only a relatively small geographic area around their downtowns, while cities such as Phoenix and Los Angeles include large suburban areas within their borders.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/u- ... r-in-2016/

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PostJan 10, 2017#6529

I know it's a small data set and in the winter... but through the 1st 8 days of 2017, we've had 1 homicide.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6530

gregl wrote:I know it's a small data set and in the winter... but through the 1st 8 days of 2017, we've had 1 homicide.
Sadly, it will start to pick up in the coming weeks. At least we are not Chicago with close to 10 or more so far


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PostJan 10, 2017#6531

quincunx wrote:FiveThirtyEight - U.S. Cities Experienced Another Big Rise In Murder In 2016
Among the notable rises outside of Chicago were increases of 56 percent in Memphis, 61 percent in San Antonio, 44 percent in Louisville, 36 percent in Phoenix and 31 percent in Las Vegas. Taken together, those six cities accounted for 76 percent of the overall big city murder rise in 2016.
The 2016 murder capital of the U.S.

St. Louis likely remained the national murder capital of the United States based on murder rate, with nearly 60 murders per 100,000 residents. St. Louis has had the country’s highest murder rate each year since 2014. Baltimore likely had the country’s second-highest murder rate for the second-consecutive year with roughly 52 murders per 100,000 residents, with Detroit, New Orleans and Cleveland probably rounding out the top five. The table below shows the top 10 big cities in terms of estimated murder rate calculated using the FBI’s 2015 population totals for each city. This kind of cross-city comparison can be tricky, however, because cities draw their borders differently: St. Louis and Baltimore, for example, include only a relatively small geographic area around their downtowns, while cities such as Phoenix and Los Angeles include large suburban areas within their borders.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/u- ... r-in-2016/
Not a big fan of that piece... as the first snippet shows it did say that the majority of the increase is driven by a few cities, but it didn't address at all the fact that quite a few cities homicide have dropped or are relatively unchanged the past few years. That's important if we're trying to get a better understanding of not only what's going on nationally but also what might be working in those more fortunate cities.

I think this LA Times piece is a bit more informative:

Trump gets the facts wrong, but homicides in some cities are up after a long decline
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hom ... story.html

PostJan 10, 2017#6532

gregl wrote:I know it's a small data set and in the winter... but through the 1st 8 days of 2017, we've had 1 homicide.
We need more of this ahead for sure. I think three or so in the county, btw... I haven't seen a total yet for 2016 but I believe it was up by a decent amount countywide around August or so.

Update... here are those County #'s from early August:

ST. LOUIS COUNTY MURDERS
(As of mid-day Aug. 2)
2016 to date: 47
2015 to date: 36
2015 year total: 66
2014 year total: 37

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... d3fc5.html

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PostJan 10, 2017#6533

STLrainbow wrote: Not a big fan of that piece... as the first snippet shows it did say that the majority of the increase is driven by a few cities, but it didn't address at all the fact that quite a few cities homicide have dropped or are relatively unchanged the past few years. That's important if we're trying to get a better understanding of not only what's going on nationally but also what might be working in those more fortunate cities.
How do you know it isn't random variance?

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PostJan 10, 2017#6534

Serious question here: with the extremely high murder rate in the region and it being for the most part clustered into specific areas, shouldn't we see the murder rate decrease on its own as people are caught, taken off the streets, and... well... killed?

I'm probably stating this question a bit incorrectly and I'm struggling to verbalize it effectively, but at some point shouldn't we see a decrease as both murderers and their victims are removed from the equation (by either being killed by each other or caught by police)? I know we will never see it drop to 0, but if the recent spikes are due to gang violence or increased drug dealing related issues, wouldn't the murdering reach a critical mass before regressing to the mean?

That said, holy cow does the entire St. Louis region need a new plan to combat crime. This is a freakin epidemic and whatever we're doing now simply isn't working.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6535

The beefs that lead to this get passed down the chain. You have to break the cycle, letting people gun each other down is not a good option.

It's a public health crisis, as you said. It's high time we treated it as any other epidemic and throw every resource we have at it.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6536

Slay and his family have been in positions of power for decades. And what do we have to show for it in terms of crime? I know people who go to their deaths to give Slay a pass will note Ferguson and Big Mike, but that's a couple years ago already. And the bloated bureacratic environment that they fostered and promoted as noted in the Post article is a main reason for the slow the implementation of the crime plan??? My goodness, we need urgency and immediacy.

And don't forget, Slay's main pillar to fight crime was local control. How is that working out?

I hope Lyda brings change....

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PostJan 10, 2017#6537

"Grasping for change on America's most violent streets: 'We must stop killing'"

A four-mile stretch on Natural Bridge Avenue in St Louis – not in Chicago or Baltimore – is the place in America most plagued by gun violence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... dge-avenue

I don't understand how the City does not have the information they need to start making targeted inroads in combating this epidemic. Government moves slow is a crappy excuse. They can and have to do more. If this was Ebola, people wouldn't be allowed to fend for themselves. This is also an epidemic which is killing people. Failure to address this is a stain on us all.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6538

MarkHaversham wrote: How do you know it isn't random variance?
we don't. The only thing we really know nationally is we don't know what's going on.

PostJan 10, 2017#6539

andrewarkills wrote:"Grasping for change on America's most violent streets: 'We must stop killing'"

A four-mile stretch on Natural Bridge Avenue in St Louis – not in Chicago or Baltimore – is the place in America most plagued by gun violence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... dge-avenue

I don't understand how the City does not have the information they need to start making targeted inroads in combating this epidemic. Government moves slow is a crappy excuse. They can and have to do more. If this was Ebola, people wouldn't be allowed to fend for themselves. This is also an epidemic which is killing people. Failure to address this is a stain on us all.
I don't understand either. Depressing as heck. That's a must-read piece, btw.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6540

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 484f4.html
The homicide total holds as the city's deadliest in two decades.

Dotson emphasized that per capita, the homicide rate is only about half of the peak, in 1993.

"Everybody talks about crime as the worst they've ever seen it, but if you look at per capita, there are fewer crimes now than there were in 1970 and there's half the amount of crime in the city now than there was in at its peak in 1993," he said.

That said, Dotson acknowledged that violent crimes — homicide, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — were up 4.4 percent over 2015. Rapes were up by 25, robberies by 114 and aggravated assaults by 116.

I'm glad he's comparing crime now to the worst 2 periods for the city.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6541

^ that's blatantly wrong about per capita homicides being about half compared to 1993... it's about 60 now and was about 70 in 93.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6542

^ Hopefully the post will correct it.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6543

Overall, the crime rate is about half of what it was in 1993.

I think they wrongly interpreted that to mean the homicide rate is half of what it was in 1993.

Dotson's comment was about overall crime rate.. not homicide rate.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6544

^ yeah, seems like the reporter's error.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6545

I forget the particulars, but several years ago I believe SLMPD changed how it classified some crimes. The example I remember is if 10 cars on one street are broken into, it would be counted as one crime and not 10. Regardless of which way is "correct", I believe that the change put SLMPD inline with the FBI and other departments in the country - which is fine. BUT, it may also skew today's numbers to present the appearance of a reduction in crime over time. I very well could be misremembering part of this, or getting part of it wrong.

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PostJan 10, 2017#6546

^ I believe what would be counted as multiple crimes today may only have been counted as a single crime before (I wanna say '09 or so is when the change was made.) So I think it was underreported before in that sense. But maybe I have it reversed. What may be more of a factor today in underreporting crime is decreased community trust in the police department resulting in fewer crimes reported.

PostJan 10, 2017#6547

STLrainbow wrote:^ that's blatantly wrong about per capita homicides being about half compared to 1993... it's about 60 now and was about 70 in 93.
they fixed it after I tweeted them... again it's our overall crime rate that is down about half from the per capita high in '93. btw, if we did enjoy half the homicide rate of '93, we'd be sitting around 110 homicides per year which is roughly what we were able to reach in 2011 & 2012 before rising again. A rate of 35 is still high compared to other cities but if we can drive back down to that level again over the course of the next few years it would nevertheless be a big win.

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PostJan 25, 2017#6548

If we don't get the murder rate down, Donald Trump might threaten to invade us!

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PostJan 25, 2017#6549

Ebsy wrote:If we don't get the murder rate down, Donald Trump might threaten to invade us!
It will happen soon probably. Along with Detroit and other Cities that have high murder rates. How will it be fixed? I don't have a clue but I know one thing is for sure that we will have a Tweet sent our way soon calling for us to get our act together.

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PostJan 25, 2017#6550

^ I wouldn't doubt it but he'll probably use Ferguson.

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