urbanSTL

Hey I just want to take my family to dinner in the center city as I did in Paris last summer. But as long as guns are rampant, I don't want to risk being the guy at the wrong place place at the wrong time.

Aesir wrote:"We" see it as one more hurdle that an aggressive government intent on harm would have to clear before armed action against this government would be necessary to protect oneself.

no offense, but i think this is a laughably disingenuous justification. back when the "government" was armed with canons that fired lead balls, maybe you and your handgun had a chance in hell of stopping some hypothetical aggression. that's no longer the case and i think "you" understand that. if you plan to fight the government you'd better at least go buy a fleet of fighter jets. no, the "aggressive government" excuse is just a convenient, albeit nonsensical, rationalization for unregulated gun ownership nowadays. and in any case, regulations on gun usage—while we're not at war with our own government, of course—are in no way restricting "your" right to own guns.

38 murders so far this month in Baltimore. Wow.

Baltimore, Chicago and STL: The Holy Grail of Guns, Murder and Violence.

^ The numbers that came out of Chicago last weekend were stunning to say the least.

Sure. And it seems like last week was very bad in a number of cities. But when you take a look at the bigger picture Chicago has consistently had a rate of under 20 homicides/100,000 ppl. We had a rate of 50 last year, which would be well over 1,000 homicides for Chicago if it had the same rate....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... pital.html

if you take a look a look, you can see Baltimore, Detroit and New Orleans consistently have had rates consistently above 35 and well above others on the "leader board." Saint Louis isn't on it because we aren't a big city, ha! If we were included, we'd be the highest on the 2014 rate and #8 on the overall tally. (Of course the rate would drop if all or most of the county were part of the City.)

When your proclivity to carry a gun and hide it in your car causes me, a non-carryer/non gun hider, to become a crime victim because someone breaks into my car looking for your gun or your gun toting friends' guns, then I say you and your gun toting friends are causing me a problem. Thanks for that. Thank you very much!

So sorry for the fake "problems". But you'll twist logic until you can find some way to blame the victims and gun-owners. That's why "we" largely don't bother with people like you.

Northside Neighbor wrote:When your proclivity to carry a gun and hide it in your car causes me, a non-carryer/non gun hider, to become a crime victim because someone breaks into my car looking for your gun or your gun toting friends' guns, then I say you and your gun toting friends are causing me a problem. Thanks for that. Thank you very much!

Well this is just silly. I really hope you're kidding.

Gun owners who are irresponsible and have guns stolen out of their cars should have their license revoked and their names publicly displayed on a website. I am tired of the connotation that more guns equals less violence.

The framers of the Constitution would never stand for what we have today. They clearly intended gun possessors to be well-regulated for militia service. The courts perverted the intent to allow complete lack of regulation so careless gun owners unwittingly arm criminals gangs to militia levels.

It doesn't matter what the framers did or would think. Lack of regulation kills people and destroys communities.

Don't mind me, just livin the thug lyfe

Regulate this, fam.

Northside Neighbor wrote:

When your proclivity to carry a gun and hide it in your car causes me, a non-carryer/non gun hider, to become a crime victim because someone breaks into my car looking for your gun or your gun toting friends' guns, then I say you and your gun toting friends are causing me a problem. Thanks for that. Thank you very much!

framer wrote:

Well this is just silly. I really hope you're kidding.

And NN responds: Not kidding at all. Guns are the problem. It sure isn't those of us living gun-free. I think this sort of logic scares the hell out of gun enthusiasts. When there are dangerous things in our society, causing harm to the general public, it is the responsibility of responsible people to remove those things for the common good and general welfare of the people.

Your guns are one of those dangerous things. Your guns are causing criminals to break into the cars of uninvolved, innocent people.

Your guns are causing criminals to break into the cars of uninvolved, innocent people.

So are stereos and GPS devices and, you know, anything else of value.

They're targeting guns. They'll break into ten cars to find one gun, leaving everything else. Your guns are causing me and my car to be a target. Cause and effect. Your cause results in harmful effects to me.

Where do people think criminals get guns in the first place? They buy them (due to lack of regulation) or steal them (from legal gun owners).

And if a legal gun ends up in the hands of a criminal due to negligence on the part of the legal owner (basically any act leaving a gun vulnerable to theft), then I hold the legal owner partially responsible for crimes committed with their gun.

Northside Neighbor wrote:They're targeting guns.

Yea, the person/people who smashed my window last Saturday and took my GPS from the trunk were looking for guns. If they choose to use it to navigate to your house and burglarize it, will you hold me responsible?

Northside Neighbor wrote:When there are dangerous things in our society, causing harm to the general public, it is the responsibility of responsible people to remove those things for the common good and general welfare of the people.

By this same leap in logic, by not immediately confiscating every gun you see, and personally inspecting every auto to make sure no dangerous rooty-tooty-point-n-shootys are stashed in them, you are shirking your responsibility to the general public to keep them safe. Shame on you, NN!

Logic is don't keep anything loose and valuable in a car. If you do, you're not street smart.

Spoken like Deep Blue itself might.