Reminder: This guy blamed Nick Kapusniak for his own murder because he was having a backyard party.Northside Neighbor wrote:Start a campaign for people to be home by midnight, avoid side streets with no one around, and stay in groups.
Nothing good ever happened after midnight.
The murder of the young DeSmet grad would have never happened if they had stayed in a lighted, populated area.
Some people are just not street smart at all.
This can be done today. Clearing downtown of subsidized housing is a generation or three away.
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So you're saying we should blame the victims of random, violent crime?Northside Neighbor wrote:Start a campaign for people to be home by midnight, avoid side streets with no one around, and stay in groups.
Nothing good ever happened after midnight.
The murder of the young DeSmet grad would have never happened if they had stayed in a lighted, populated area.
Some people are just not street smart at all.
This can be done today. Clearing downtown of subsidized housing is a generation or three away.
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Good luck enacting all those proposed anti-gun laws in Missourah.
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erina wrote:Reminder: This guy blamed Nick Kapusniak for his own murder because he was having a backyard party.Northside Neighbor wrote:Start a campaign for people to be home by midnight, avoid side streets with no one around, and stay in groups.
Nothing good ever happened after midnight.
The murder of the young DeSmet grad would have never happened if they had stayed in a lighted, populated area.
Some people are just not street smart at all.
This can be done today. Clearing downtown of subsidized housing is a generation or three away.
Thanks for the insight.
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Hey, shoot the messenger too folks!
You want to avoid being a crime victim? Reduce high risk behavior. The cops cannot protect you.
Engage in high risk behavior, increase your odds of being a victim.
Pretty easy math.
Erina, you've got a hellava memory!
You want to avoid being a crime victim? Reduce high risk behavior. The cops cannot protect you.
Engage in high risk behavior, increase your odds of being a victim.
Pretty easy math.
Erina, you've got a hellava memory!
Totally misses the point.So you're saying we should blame the victims of random, violent crime?
I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but you realize that robbery and murder are already illegal right? Making the handgun illegal too isn't suddenly going to prevent this crime because its illegal. For better or worse, the guns are already out there; and if you pass a law it isn't as if criminals will just turn them in.I would outlaw hand guns in the city or at least make the punishment for having an unregistered hand gun extremely severe.
But you did blame him
Northside Neighbor wrote:
The murder of the young DeSmet grad would have never happened if they had stayed in a lighted, populated area.
Some people are just not street smart at all.
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As someone who walks downtown (and the sketchier DT west) after midnight 5-6 nights a week, I think alleys and side streets might be safer. Nobody's lurking in alleys waiting for you. They're driving their cars to busy areas (and that area in front of Europe nightclub where this happened is fairly busy at that hour).
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I don't think so. You said he wouldn't have been murdered if he hadn't been where he was. Since it doesn't appear that he was engaged in any nefarious activities, that sounds like a pretty clear case of victim-blaming.Northside Neighbor wrote:Totally misses the point.So you're saying we should blame the victims of random, violent crime?
No of course it won't prevent the crime, but it will allow you to punish the crime more severely. It gives you the ability to lock up offenders for longer.I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but you realize that robbery and murder are already illegal right? Making the handgun illegal too isn't suddenly going to prevent this crime because its illegal. For better or worse, the guns are already out there; and if you pass a law it isn't as if criminals will just turn them in.
You have to do something to get hand guns out of criminal hands. Its the primary weapon for murders. What do you suggest?
I don't understand why it can't just be both. Yes, no one should have to worry that they'll be shot merely for being downtown. That's obvious. Its also obvious that people should take precautions and utilize some "street smarts" when they're out and about.Anglophile wrote:I don't think so. You said he wouldn't have been murdered if he hadn't been where he was. Since it doesn't appear that he was engaged in any nefarious activities, that sounds like a pretty clear case of victim-blaming.Northside Neighbor wrote:Totally misses the point.So you're saying we should blame the victims of random, violent crime?
If you left the front door of your house open and got robbed, it wouldn't be victim blaming to say "man, maybe you should have locked that." Clearly, you shouldn't have to worry that your house will be burglarized, but in reality, you should take at least some basic precautions.
I don't (generally) support things like "ban all handguns" that will largely only harm people that were going to follow the laws anyways. The sorts of people that would respect such a ban aren't the people that are shooting college kids over a purse. I do however support the special "gun crimes" docket that's been proposed, as well as harsher sentencing for crimes committed while using a weapon.pat wrote:No of course it won't prevent the crime, but it will allow you to punish the crime more severely. It gives you the ability to lock up offenders for longer.I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but you realize that robbery and murder are already illegal right? Making the handgun illegal too isn't suddenly going to prevent this crime because its illegal. For better or worse, the guns are already out there; and if you pass a law it isn't as if criminals will just turn them in.
You have to do something to get hand guns out of criminal hands. Its the primary weapon for murders. What do you suggest?
Horrible.
I wonder if we will get more details on what they were doing. They were all under 21, so they could not have been at a bar. City Museum closed at Midnight. I am surprised no one has asked yet if they were "exchanging goods" and something bad went down. I mean there A LOT of other things they could have been doing (like visiting a friends) but I would like to know some more background.
2. I think this is the first murder of the year? If so, we are on a good track. Year to Date:
2012: 5 murders
2013: 5 murders
2014: 6 murders
2015: 1 murder?
I wonder if we will get more details on what they were doing. They were all under 21, so they could not have been at a bar. City Museum closed at Midnight. I am surprised no one has asked yet if they were "exchanging goods" and something bad went down. I mean there A LOT of other things they could have been doing (like visiting a friends) but I would like to know some more background.
2. I think this is the first murder of the year? If so, we are on a good track. Year to Date:
2012: 5 murders
2013: 5 murders
2014: 6 murders
2015: 1 murder?
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but of those 16 from 2012-2014...how many were not drug related and just random?zink wrote:
2. I think this is the first murder of the year? If so, we are on a good track. Year to Date:
2012: 5 murders
2013: 5 murders
2014: 6 murders
2015: 1 murder?
tho i think there is more to this one from 2015 then being reported now.....so it may end up being drug related too.
From the comments on http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... e=commentsdbInSouthCity wrote:but of those 16 from 2012-2014...how many were not drug related and just random?zink wrote:
2. I think this is the first murder of the year? If so, we are on a good track. Year to Date:
2012: 5 murders
2013: 5 murders
2014: 6 murders
2015: 1 murder?
tho i think there is more to this one from 2015 then being reported now.....so it may end up being drug related too.
This is an accurate, albeit vague, story. Two from the county attending bday party downtown being dropped off by younger brother of the victim. While pulling up, a second car of AA males pulls up, opens car door and demands purse of female inside. Quick struggle happens and 19 year old college student home for weekend is shot in head. Shooter and accomplice take off.
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2014 crime numbers summary has been released and as expected overall crime is down with a continued decrease in property crimes but an unfortunate increase in crimes against persons/violent crimes...
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/12/ ... -st-louis/
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/12/ ... -st-louis/
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I believe this is the third murder actually. One at Mcdonallds just a few blocks away and one in south city. . .although i may be wrong on the south city one
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News reports are that the woman in the car was resisting the robber, then the guy with the gun shot the victim.
Not that people think clearly in circumstances like this, but had there been no struggle, more likely no one gets shot.
Bad guys get the drop on you, best to not put up a fight.
Not talking about sexual assault/kidnapping cases. Talking about robberies.
Not that people think clearly in circumstances like this, but had there been no struggle, more likely no one gets shot.
Bad guys get the drop on you, best to not put up a fight.
Not talking about sexual assault/kidnapping cases. Talking about robberies.
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I thinks its the second homicide so far.bigmclargehuge wrote:I believe this is the third murder actually. One at Mcdonallds just a few blocks away and one in south city. . .although i may be wrong on the south city one
#1. There are way too many murders happening in St. Louis City. County residents coming into the city to commit crimes. People's knee-jerk reaction is that the criminals are coming from north St. Louis or the projects near downtown, which isn't always the case. Some of these idiots come from the East St. Louis area, south St. Louis and St. Louis County. Sometimes the assailants and accomplices are from various jurisdictions.
#2. St. Louis leadership is STUPID. Slay needs to demand that Dotson increases (or escalates) nighttime patrols downtown IMMEDIATELY. Too many people are getting robbed and/or killed at night while downtown.The more visible police are, the less likely opportunistic criminals will feel brazened enough to rob people (and shoot) people. It's not rocket science. Escalate police activity from 9pm to 3am. Downtown streets need to be HOT with police officers at nighttime - 7 DAMN days a week.
#3. Although there's no excuse for the senseless murder, the young lady should have given the jack*ss her purse. If she had a traceable phone in it, the robbers could have been caught. Unless she or someone else in the group was packing heat (a gun) or some other kind of deterrent, never resist a robber. Instincts makes one resistant, but if a gun is pointed in your face, your credit cards can be replaced.
#4. Whether they were clubbing or buying drugs - another human's life is lost over some bullsh*t. Downtown St. Louis will BLEED out if these stories keep piling up. Loss of businesses, residents and jobs. At this time, downtown has to practically become a fortress. Crooks need to see the police around the clock downtown. I have said this over and over.
#5. Franny Slay is awfully quiet. Does anyone think Daley or Guiliani (who I loathe) would let robbery and homicide continuously be a problem for their downtowns? Hell, no.
#2. St. Louis leadership is STUPID. Slay needs to demand that Dotson increases (or escalates) nighttime patrols downtown IMMEDIATELY. Too many people are getting robbed and/or killed at night while downtown.The more visible police are, the less likely opportunistic criminals will feel brazened enough to rob people (and shoot) people. It's not rocket science. Escalate police activity from 9pm to 3am. Downtown streets need to be HOT with police officers at nighttime - 7 DAMN days a week.
#3. Although there's no excuse for the senseless murder, the young lady should have given the jack*ss her purse. If she had a traceable phone in it, the robbers could have been caught. Unless she or someone else in the group was packing heat (a gun) or some other kind of deterrent, never resist a robber. Instincts makes one resistant, but if a gun is pointed in your face, your credit cards can be replaced.
#4. Whether they were clubbing or buying drugs - another human's life is lost over some bullsh*t. Downtown St. Louis will BLEED out if these stories keep piling up. Loss of businesses, residents and jobs. At this time, downtown has to practically become a fortress. Crooks need to see the police around the clock downtown. I have said this over and over.
#5. Franny Slay is awfully quiet. Does anyone think Daley or Guiliani (who I loathe) would let robbery and homicide continuously be a problem for their downtowns? Hell, no.
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The news recently reported that supposedly downtown STL already has the greatest number of officers assigned to it over all other city neighborhoods.
The police cannot protect you. You need to protect yourself. People need to know the difference between high risk behavior and lower risk behavior.
To protect yourself, do not engage in high risk behavior.
The cops would tell you the same thing.
Such advice is not victim blaming. It's common sense.
The police cannot protect you. You need to protect yourself. People need to know the difference between high risk behavior and lower risk behavior.
To protect yourself, do not engage in high risk behavior.
The cops would tell you the same thing.
Such advice is not victim blaming. It's common sense.
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Remember, any ramped up efforts to combat violence and crime is also probably racist. So I guess we're kind of *****.
Being the douchebag criminal with a gun is the high risk behavior here. Erina is right. You are victim-blaming. Here is my question for you: knowing that basically no one agrees with you WRT who is taking risks, how do you propose to get these problems under control? We've heard about the gun docket. No strikes laws for violent crimes. Offer (or insist) all released violent offenders take free one-way bus trips to Jacksonville or some other far-removed armpit of America. I think stop and frisk is totally acceptable, profiling be damned, in this environment. I mean, STL's reputation on race relations can't get any worse, can it? Broken windows - aggressively ticketing/hassle for very minor offences - is okay by me. Should the police be encouraging civilians to carry firearms and shoot first if they feel they are in danger? Okay, not the last one, but seriously, aside from telling people that they shouldn't be doing normal stuff when, where, and how they choose, what should be done?
Please explain the high risk behaviors of Hoang Nguyen, Matt Quain, Mon Rai and Megan Boken. I'll wait.Northside Neighbor wrote:The news recently reported that supposedly downtown STL already has the greatest number of officers assigned to it over all other city neighborhoods.
The police cannot protect you. You need to protect yourself. People need to know the difference between high risk behavior and lower risk behavior.
To protect yourself, do not engage in high risk behavior.
The cops would tell you the same thing.
Such advice is not victim blaming. It's common sense.