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PostSep 05, 2012#2426

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0f31a.html

Homeless man stabs homeless man on wash ave and 6th.
Not good.

Think if I threaten my bank I am walking away from my mortgage due to th crime, they will actually work with me to lower my rate.(currently they won't lower since it is underwater). Even though it basically means they want me to stop paying?

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PostSep 05, 2012#2427

The fact that this crime occurred doesn't change my viewpoint on safety downtown. I take it at face value that 2 homeless guys got into an argument and this was there resolution. Stupid, but some people handle arguments this way.

I am more upset about the endless media coverage this crime will create and further give the perception of downtown being a crime infested cesspool. Not the case, but that's what people think.

How do we prevent this from happening again? Reduce the number of homeless downtown.

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PostSep 06, 2012#2428

Here is a copy of an mass email sent out by Mayor Slay on crime. Nothing really new, but thought I'd pass this on:
Forwarded Message -----
From: "NST, NST" <nst@stlouis-mo.gov>
To: NST NST <nst@stlouis-mo.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: Message from Mayor Slay



The following message has been forwarded from the Mayor's office, to the concerned citizens' of the City of St. Louis:

The murder of Megan Boken has focused community attention, anger and frustration on violent crime, especially gun crimes. But, it is not a new issue. It is certainly not limited to the Central West End, where Megan was gunned down. As we all know, violence is far worse in other neighborhoods. Young African American men, especially, are at risk. But, it's not just them either. I have gone to far too many wakes, vigils and memorials for crime victims. I have had to give our City's prayers and condolences to far too many devastated mothers.

I have been and will continue to focus on crime because of the harm it does to innocent victims and to our neighborhoods. It is a shame that any senior citizen has to live with bars on their windows. It is a shame that some of our parents cannot allow their children to play outside after dinner. It is wrong that the sound of gunshots has become a regular occurrence in some of our neighborhoods.

Chief Isom recently announced an anti-violence initiative to put his officers in high crime neighborhoods during the hours when most crime occurs. Eight of the 12 neighborhoods that are going to be the focus on his attention are in North St. Louis, two central and two south. We are also putting in place a new hot spot policing initiative, where we will saturate small areas that are havens for drugs, gangs and violence. It is the job of our police to go after bad guys. It is our duty to support our police. If you see criminal behavior or know something that will help the police, please tell them.

To make sure we are being smarter than the criminals and expanding anti-crime programs that work, I have created the Public Safety Partnership with the police, prosecutor, Board of Probation and Parole and the University of Missouri/St. Louis. A criminologist is embedded in our Public Safety Department to help us fight crime and measure our results to make sure what we are doing is working.

We are also focused on crime prevention. I created a Youth Violence Prevention Task Force to bring together educators, foundations, community leaders, and non profit agencies to address teen violence. Out of the task force's work has come a summer jobs program for youth, and a major expansion in after school programs to give kids something to do between 3 and 6pm, which is the most dangerous time for them.

We have reduced lead paint poisoning, which is associated with violent behavior later in life. We have increased job training, started innovative charter schools for our kids, built two new recreation centers, are helping more young people go to and graduate from college, created one of the most successful prisoner re-entry programs in the state, and invested hundreds of millions of dollars in our neighborhoods plagued with poverty.

Our courts have a job to do as well. Our City is awash in guns. We need to send a message that if you use a gun, you will pay a price. To do that, our judges need to consistently give higher bonds for gun crimes and higher sentences for gun crime convictions.

Chief Isom and I cannot do this alone. The police and prosecutors cannot do this alone. It will take the entire community to reduce crime. Parents have to teach their children values, and hold them accountable for their actions. Our schools have to do a better of providing our children with the skills they need to compete for jobs in a knowledge economy. Our churches and other places of worship can provide teenagers-- particularly young men who don't have fathers-- with role models so they know how a man is supposed to act.

I am determined to make your neighborhood safe. But, I need your ideas, your passion and your help to get it done. I am convinced that if we work together, we will take back all of our neighborhoods. You have my commitment.



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Neighborhood Stabilization Team
Department of Public Safety
City of St. Louis
1520 Market St Rm 4000
St. Louis, MO 63103

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PostSep 06, 2012#2429

Chief Isom recently announced an anti-violence initiative to put his officers in high crime neighborhoods during the hours when most crime occurs. Eight of the 12 neighborhoods that are going to be the focus on his attention are in North St. Louis, two central and two south. We are also putting in place a new hot spot policing initiative, where we will saturate small areas that are havens for drugs, gangs and violence.
Any thoughts as to which neighborhoods will get this attention? Especially curious which 2 south side neighborhoods are on the list. Although, I would assume that secrecy may play into this.

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PostSep 06, 2012#2430

I thought I read somewhere the 2 south city neighborhoods were Gravois Park and Dutchtown

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PostSep 06, 2012#2431

Lead paint creates violent people? Is that common knowledge?

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PostSep 06, 2012#2432

^Any chance you can find where? I asked Mayor Slay via Twitter and got no response. Slay said there would be 2 south, 2 central and 8 north side neighborhoods. From the recent crime analysis on nextSTL, focusing on crimes against people, those neighborhoods should be/are likely (depends on what they call central/south):

South: Gravois Park, Dutchtown/Marine Villa
Central: Downtown, FPSE (but probably CWE)
North: College Hill, Walnut Park East, Fairground, Walnut Park West, Carr Square, Old North, Well-Goodfellow, Greater Ville (but I bet Penrose or O'Fallon are included)

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PostSep 06, 2012#2433

No matter what the neighborhood, I am sure it encompasses the areas around the "State Streets".

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PostSep 06, 2012#2434

ricke002 wrote:Lead paint creates violent people? Is that common knowledge?

Duh. Didn't you know lead paint removal is the reason behind NYC's declining violent crime rates in the 90's? :wink:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01073.html

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PostSep 06, 2012#2435

Alex Ihnen wrote:^Any chance you can find where? I asked Mayor Slay via Twitter and got no response. Slay said there would be 2 south, 2 central and 8 north side neighborhoods. From the recent crime analysis on nextSTL, focusing on crimes against people, those neighborhoods should be/are likely (depends on what they call central/south):

South: Gravois Park, Dutchtown/Marine Villa
Central: Downtown, FPSE (but probably CWE)
North: College Hill, Walnut Park East, Fairground, Walnut Park West, Carr Square, Old North, Well-Goodfellow, Greater Ville (but I bet Penrose or O'Fallon are included)
I can try and find it, but I can't really remember where I read it...it was weeks ago, I could be totally wrong. I thought I read it on the post's website, but again, i'm not sure.

PostSep 06, 2012#2436

Found it

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/335173 ... me-efforts
Police department officials say the other neighborhoods, in no particular order, are Carr Square, College Hill, Greater Ville, Gravois Park, Central Downtown, Hamilton Heights/West End, Penrose, Upper Dutchtown, Kingsway East, Central West End.

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PostSep 06, 2012#2437

^ Thanks!

By the way, exposure to lead paint retards brain development, leading to lower IQs and other cognitive impairment. There's not one issue that's significantly more important than another, but lead paint exposure has been and is a severe problem.

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PostSep 06, 2012#2438

I don't want to offend those living in Gravois Park or Dutchtown, but these are excellent choices for the South Side. I would have thought Fountain Park or Fairgrounds Park would have been chosen in the North Side. Nice to see Slay actually saying something action-oriented instead of ranting about gun control or Isom ranting about how we are actually better off than we used to be in x timeframe.

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PostSep 07, 2012#2439

Mark Groth wrote:I don't want to offend those living in Gravois Park or Dutchtown, but these are excellent choices for the South Side. I would have thought Fountain Park or Fairgrounds Park would have been chosen in the North Side. Nice to see Slay actually saying something action-oriented instead of ranting about gun control or Isom ranting about how we are actually better off than we used to be in x timeframe.
I agree completely!

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PostSep 09, 2012#2440

Article in the WaPo states how the police are working with developers to incorporate police input on how design can deter crime. Installing cameras, planter placement, lighting, etc were mentioned on how developers can tweak their design to provide a safe development. Would be great to see the same sort of cooperation take place in STL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri ... story.html

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PostSep 10, 2012#2441

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... Sg&cad=rja

Link to an interesting ppt from UMSL criminology studies. Includes a nice map on slide 3 showing the density of gun homicides in the city.

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PostSep 11, 2012#2442

take a look at the Milwaukee police dept website:
http://www.milwaukeepolicenews.com/#menu=about-page

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PostSep 11, 2012#2443

I think it gave me vertigo. That said, I'd rather have my police have an updated website than not.

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PostSep 12, 2012#2444

Driving home from work around 930pm, got off 40 at Chestnut and driving that street to Tucker, it felt incredibly dangerous. I can not believe how many folks were loitering by the fountains and statues next to Union Station, and then continuing East, those parks on my right side are just creepy. Cant there be 1...just 1 patrol car that just circles this area and figures out why these people are there? 1 car circling, any sort of presence would be such a big difference. Just dont understand why that is so difficult

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PostSep 12, 2012#2445

STLFAN5050 wrote:Driving home from work around 930pm, got off 40 at Chestnut and driving that street to Tucker, it felt incredibly dangerous. I can not believe how many folks were loitering by the fountains and statues next to Union Station, and then continuing East, those parks on my right side are just creepy.
"Incredibly dangerous"? Really? Did you actually feel threatened? I take that exit all of the time at various times of night. "Sketchy", "shady", "a little creepy", maybe "slightly unnerving" I think all of those could apply. I've never really felt threatened passing by there tho. I ride bikes a lot too and have many times ridden right past there at night alone. (Of course I'm a pretty tough dude with a shaved head who knows how to handle himself (slight sarcasm, but only slight)).

But I generally reserve "incredibly dangerous" for things like children playing with guns or an open flame near a large quantity of highly explosive material.

However I agree with you somewhat about the area, its been discussed here before - this is one part of downtown that is pretty sad. I cringe a little when I think how this area in central downtown must look to out of towners.

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PostSep 13, 2012#2447

I didn't even bother to look at the comments section after reading the article above. I'm sure the comments sections here or on other local news sites are filled with St. Louis bashing.

What these idiots fail to realize is that this homicide- and the Cheetos murder- are indicative of a regionwide problem. We don't know where the homeless people come from, but we do know that suburban and exurban law enforcement agencies dump them off in our downtown. And I recall one time that a church from as far away as Marion, Illinois, came here to feed homeless people downtown. So the rural sheriffs can "clean up their towns" by bringing the homeless in their communities here. And people in rural areas can feel good about themselves by bringing some sandwiches to them. Yet these are probably the same people that bash St. Louis from behind their laptops. It's really irritating.

I'm not trying to diminish the real threat of crime in some parts of the city, but I am trying to show the big picture, which many people outside the city fail to realize.

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PostSep 13, 2012#2448

St. Louis man accused of killing uncle over what name to call a piece of pork.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1158351

PostSep 13, 2012#2449

I used to think desperate people used weapons to get their own form of justice because the courts were failing them. But nobody uses courts to solve food fights.

We really need a non-lethal way for people to blow off momentary steam. Gripping a lethal push-button stress reliever in the heat of an argument makes it way to easy to do something you'll regret for the rest of your life.

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PostSep 13, 2012#2450

^ But what if these individuals were also members of a well-regulated militia?

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