^ yeah, no offense intended to Mr. Cassilly but this doesn't sound like a random robbery/shooting. it sounds drug related. a shiny black Hummer and assault rifles? i grew up on the 3600 block of Montana in the 80s and it was a clean, quiet residential street book-ended by a little convenience store at Grand, to which i walked frequently, and Resurrection at the other end. sadly, it wasn't looking too great when i drove through a couple years ago...
People need to ask themselves if criminals want to wait for insanely long transfer times after they snatch a purse and need to get away. Like everyone else it's a lot easier to use a car. The idea that transit brings crime is crazy. It can't even get people to their jobs.
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That's the one. It sure doesn't sound random. A hummer is about as nondiscript of a get-a-way vehicle as a red ferrari. Idiots.
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Occam says it ain't random.moorlander wrote:
That's the one. It sure doesn't sound random. A hummer is about as nondiscript of a get-a-way vehicle as a red ferrari. Idiots.
Agreed that that one doesn't sound random at all. Your average burglar doesn't have a zillion dollar flashy SUV.lukethedrifter wrote:Occam says it ain't random.moorlander wrote:
That's the one. It sure doesn't sound random. A hummer is about as nondiscript of a get-a-way vehicle as a red ferrari. Idiots.
However, this apparently *was* random:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
Another incident of the "Knockout Game".
What's the best way to scare off tourists and suburbanites from visiting the city? Cases of random violence where the target is innocent "normal" people just like them.
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Post Dispatch is reporting that a man and a woman were shot in the parking lot of the Wire Works lofts in Lafayette Square. Story reports that the woman shot in head and man shot in torso. Also reports that the woman is pregnant.
I really don't know what to say here. The details are sparse at this point, and there is no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding this, but I am sick to my stomach.
There is a monumental rant coming here once more is known.
Edit: Updated title showing woman has died. It gets worse.
I really don't know what to say here. The details are sparse at this point, and there is no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding this, but I am sick to my stomach.
There is a monumental rant coming here once more is known.
Edit: Updated title showing woman has died. It gets worse.
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Police are reporting that the shooter is the woman's ex husband--definite case of domestic dispute and NOT random. Still a horrifying crime--we have seen far too many of these domestic slayings in all parts of the region.
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The woman's ex shot and killed her, and wounded her boyfriend. She had had an order of protection out against the ex and his photo was posted in the lobby at Wireworks. This is a domestic dispute.
Nothing here to see, folks. Move along.
Nothing here to see, folks. Move along.
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Clayton homeowner shoots intruder. There's a lot of guns out there.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
Sleeping housesitter in rehab home awakes and shoots intruder dead in Fox Park. Neighbors tiring of the shenanigans. Might thrown in the towel. No mas.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html
Well, there's a lot of home invasions, too.leeharveyawesome wrote:Clayton homeowner shoots intruder. There's a lot of guns out there.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
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The latest on scrap dealer regulations, intended to cut down on metal theft, from the P-D:St. Louis scrap metal dealers get another week
Scrap metal dealers will have another week to try to influence a bill aimed at restricting the buying and selling of scrap copper, air conditioner parts and catalytic converters — an industry police say has led to more than $8 million in illegal metal theft over the past two years.
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In the end, Ald. Baringer asked the committee's chair, Alderman Greg Carter, to postpone the vote again. She said the bill needs to give scrap metal yards more time to set up a computer database, required by the bill, which would track all sales and sellers. Baringer said she's also considering changes to payments methods allowed in the bill. It currently requires all payments for copper, air conditioner parts or catalytic converters to be made by post-dated check, to try to prevent drug-related thefts and sales. Baringer said she's considering allowing scrapyards to mail checks to sellers.
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-gang-members ... 17395.html
..WASHINGTON (AP) — The gang problem in the United States is growing and there are an estimated 1.4 million members in some 33,000 gangs, the federal government said Friday.
Gangs are collaborating with transnational drug trafficking organizations to make more money and are expanding the range of their illicit activities, engaging in mortgage fraud and counterfeiting as well as trafficking in guns and drugs, according to the national gang threat assessment for 2011.
Gang membership “continues to flourish” and gang leaders are striking new alliances with other criminal organizations for profit, FBI agent Jayne Challman told reporters during a briefing at FBI headquarters.
The gang member estimate of 1.4 million was up from 1 million two years ago, a 40 percent increase, but the report attributed the rise in part to improved reporting by law enforcement agencies.
White-collar crime is an increasing focus for gangs. The report cited the arrest of a member in a Los Angeles gang called Florencia 13 for operating a lab that manufactured pirated video games.
A member of the East Coast Crips in Los Angeles co-owned a clothing store, using it to sell counterfeit goods and traffic in drugs, and members of the Bloods in San Diego were charged with racketeering and mortgage fraud, said the report by the National Gang Intelligence Center, a multiagency effort led by the FBI.
In an example of an alliance, the Nine Trey Gangster Bloods worked with the Lucchese organized crime family in New Jersey to smuggle drugs and cell phones into a prison.
On the West Coast, law enforcement officials in the state of Washington suspect that some Asian gangs are involved with Asian organized crime and marijuana cultivating groups.
In southern California, 99 members of the Armenian Power gang suspected of ties to crime figures in Armenia, Russia and the nation of Georgia were charged with kidnapping, extortion, bank fraud and drug trafficking.
Gang membership is increasing most significantly in the Northeast and Southeast regions of the country and many communities are experiencing an increase in ethnic-based gangs such as African, Asian and Caribbean gangs, said the report, which is based on federal, state and local law enforcement data.
..WASHINGTON (AP) — The gang problem in the United States is growing and there are an estimated 1.4 million members in some 33,000 gangs, the federal government said Friday.
Gangs are collaborating with transnational drug trafficking organizations to make more money and are expanding the range of their illicit activities, engaging in mortgage fraud and counterfeiting as well as trafficking in guns and drugs, according to the national gang threat assessment for 2011.
Gang membership “continues to flourish” and gang leaders are striking new alliances with other criminal organizations for profit, FBI agent Jayne Challman told reporters during a briefing at FBI headquarters.
The gang member estimate of 1.4 million was up from 1 million two years ago, a 40 percent increase, but the report attributed the rise in part to improved reporting by law enforcement agencies.
White-collar crime is an increasing focus for gangs. The report cited the arrest of a member in a Los Angeles gang called Florencia 13 for operating a lab that manufactured pirated video games.
A member of the East Coast Crips in Los Angeles co-owned a clothing store, using it to sell counterfeit goods and traffic in drugs, and members of the Bloods in San Diego were charged with racketeering and mortgage fraud, said the report by the National Gang Intelligence Center, a multiagency effort led by the FBI.
In an example of an alliance, the Nine Trey Gangster Bloods worked with the Lucchese organized crime family in New Jersey to smuggle drugs and cell phones into a prison.
On the West Coast, law enforcement officials in the state of Washington suspect that some Asian gangs are involved with Asian organized crime and marijuana cultivating groups.
In southern California, 99 members of the Armenian Power gang suspected of ties to crime figures in Armenia, Russia and the nation of Georgia were charged with kidnapping, extortion, bank fraud and drug trafficking.
Gang membership is increasing most significantly in the Northeast and Southeast regions of the country and many communities are experiencing an increase in ethnic-based gangs such as African, Asian and Caribbean gangs, said the report, which is based on federal, state and local law enforcement data.
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Looks like the mayor and his bodyguard stumbled upon a victim of the "knockout game"
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
I'm praying that the next time I hear a story about this "game" it's how the intended victim put a couple of bullets through the brains of the "players"
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0f31a.html
I'm praying that the next time I hear a story about this "game" it's how the intended victim put a couple of bullets through the brains of the "players"
I know I am going to get shouted down over this one, but for once some of the PD comments make sense. If there were roving gangs of white teenagers targeting elderly and defenseless minorities for random, severe beatings, everybody from Al Sharpton to CNN would be in St. Louis screaming "RACISM" at the top of their lungs. Instead, we have roving gangs of black teenagers targeting defenseless and frequently elderly white and in the horrible and deadly case from earlier this year, Vietnamese people and the media refers to it as a "game." There. I said it. F**ing makes we nauseous. This is the kind of sh*t that could actually make me leave. I hope Slay was disturbed enough by his little brush with reality to order a concerted effort to end this madness.
^ I seriously doubt these crimes are racially motivated. Did they say "die Whitey, die Cracka" when they were beating him? Is there any history of blacks beating whites with bricks in a racially motivated fervor? Lets not forget that the history of the United States is rife with racial crimes that are overwhelmingly whites brutalizing, raping, and murdering blacks. Even to this day whites kill more blacks, than blacks kill whites in the US (if not with police brutality alone). I never understood this widespread fear of blacks that whites have. There is more black on black crime in St. Louis than anything. Most crimes everywhere are intracial anyway and you have no proof that these crimes are motivated by race. Lets also not forget that poverty is the best indicator for crime......not RACE. You dont see middle class blacks killing anyone, but you do see a lot of poor whites in prison.
I respectfully disagree. These are crimes of abject frustration, and their is a racial component. The crimes are perpetrated by children with no hope and no role models lashing out at what what they have been taught are people who are responsible for their predicament. Or, in some (or all) cases to an extent, they are trying to feel some sense of control or power in their otherwise powerless lives by lashing out at those weaker and visibly "different" from themselves. I question your statements about white on black crime being more prevalent in this country, but do not have the energy to refute them. I don't blame "blackness" for these crimes. That would be ignorant and against my deeply held beliefs. I only state the obvious fact that there is a double standard for roving gangs of teenagers beating people half to death. Twelve white teenagers beat old black man's face in = nationally debated hate crime, no question. Twelve black teenagers beat old white man's face in = knockout game, business as usual in the Lou.
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^ I agree with tge-atw here. By the way, someone doesn't have to be shouting racial epithets while committing a crime for race to a factor in that crime.
tge-atw wrote:I respectfully disagree. These are crimes of abject frustration, and their is a racial component. The crimes are perpetrated by children with no hope and no role models lashing out at what what they have been taught are people who are responsible for their predicament. Or, in some (or all) cases to an extent, they are trying to feel some sense of control or power in their otherwise powerless lives by lashing out at those weaker and visibly "different" from themselves. I question your statements about white on black crime being more prevalent in this country, but do not have the energy to refute them. I don't blame "blackness" for these crimes. That would be ignorant and against my deeply held beliefs. I only state the obvious fact that there is a double standard for roving gangs of teenagers beating people half to death. Twelve white teenagers beat old black man's face in = nationally debated hate crime, no question. Twelve black teenagers beat old white man's face in = knockout game, business as usual in the Lou.
Honest Questions for TGE-ATW
Who taught these "children" that these "people" are responsible for their "predicament"?
Who are these "people" that are being blamed for the children "predicament"?
What is the "predicament"?
Why are these children in a "predicament"?
Where is your empirical evidence that these crimes were racially motivated?
Why do you question that White on Black crime is more prevalent in this country?
What is your definition of crime?
How are you not blaming the criminals "blackness", when you say that these crimes were racially motivated by the victim's "whiteness"? You did introduce race into the conversation didn't you?
Is Black on White crime a serious problem in the City of St. Louis? United States?
Is Al Sharpton the democratically elected leader of the Afro-American community?
^who cares? Stop the knockout game. Bottom-line. A friend's seventy year old father was a victim last month in TGS. He's moving to Webster Groves as a result. Again, a complete failure by leadership to acknowledge a problem and pointedly address how they're going to fix it.
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^Agreed on not caring a whit about the racial discussion. I just want these ingrates caught and punished. That being said I'm not proud that I will be looking to cross the street if I see a large number of African-American youths coming my way--but I'll still do it. If someone like Doug wants to risk a concussion to soothe his racial guilt more power to him!
Sounds like Tower Grove South is a major hunting ground for these animals
Maybe the police need a decoy--an undercover officer dressed as an elderly man or woman.
Once the "game" starts the rest of the cavalry can swoop in and put a stop to it. Personally I'd like to see them go medieval on these punks--give them a beating they won't walk away from.
Sounds like Tower Grove South is a major hunting ground for these animals
Maybe the police need a decoy--an undercover officer dressed as an elderly man or woman.
Once the "game" starts the rest of the cavalry can swoop in and put a stop to it. Personally I'd like to see them go medieval on these punks--give them a beating they won't walk away from.
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I suppose S. Grand will consider some cameras and paying for additional patrols. (There is a special district around Gravois that taxes themselves for more security.)
TG neighborhoods are also utilizing neighborhood patrols and neighborhood protection orders that is helping to address problem kids more effectively.
As for the race issue, I dunno. I understand at least one perpetrator in the Trailnet incident was Hispanic and who is to say that white teens are never taking part in this stupid "game" or that black people are never victims. I agree with the those who say that what's important is catching these a**holes.
TG neighborhoods are also utilizing neighborhood patrols and neighborhood protection orders that is helping to address problem kids more effectively.
As for the race issue, I dunno. I understand at least one perpetrator in the Trailnet incident was Hispanic and who is to say that white teens are never taking part in this stupid "game" or that black people are never victims. I agree with the those who say that what's important is catching these a**holes.