urbanSTL

Eh, I don't think I'll take the bait right now. Not with this tight Heat-Bulls game heading into 4th quarter....

I would make sure they are aware of the increase in crime so they can increase patrols.

You could also get you neighbors together and set up a neighborhood watch. The first line of defense is the citizens.

The gun comment is uncalled for and I would have given them an earful for their ignorance.

I feel it's always important to contact the alderman when crime happens since they have the resources to foster collaboration to find solutions. Neighborhood meetings with elected officials can go a long way to increase patrols, placing cameras at hotspots, fostering sidewalk activity so there are more eyes on the street, etc...

It's also important businesses in the area know. Good communication with residents, businesses, police, and officials can make a difference.

I heard from a source that the police department is catching roughly 80% percent of criminals tied to reported crimes. The message should be..."If we don't know its happening, there isn't much we can do about it."

Also, the recent wave of robberies, burglaries and thefts are largely attributed to meth and heroin use. In a related matter, the books for the SLPD are wide open to just about anyone, whereas the county does not make their information so readily available. i.e. crime is spiking in the county too, we just don't hear much about it.

Finally, many of the robbers, burglars and theirs are moving from the north to the south. They are either actually moving to new buildings or just targeting the south...i.e. there is more to take from homes/cars/etc in S. STL than N. STL.

....at least this is what I heard.

The county's books are not open?
You can download their crime reports right off the mapping website.
http://maps.stlouisco.com/ArcGIS/rest/s ... apServer/0

Whereas SLMPD switched to crimereports.com, so now their crime data is considered proprietary and downloading or scraping it is a violation of the crimereports.com TOS.
http://www.crimereports.com/faq/US/downloading_data

And both departments still publish reports to the post-dispatch.

Crime stats from the Post. STL City had a decline in 2010.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... f6878.html

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html

TGE blowin' up. Murder was the case. Arsenal at Michigan.

It seems unlikely that the area from Michigan to Gravois/Jefferson will ever be anything decent. It wouldn't stop me from being in the area but I don't see any repectable people choosing to make that area their home. It's doubtful the TGE will expand. The question is....will it shrink?

leeharveyawesome wrote: It seems unlikely that the area from Michigan to Gravois/Jefferson will ever be anything decent. It wouldn't stop me from being in the area but I don't see any repectable people choosing to make that area their home. It's doubtful the TGE will expand. The question is....will it shrink?

Well, that's a bit unfair. Not to diminish the problems and challenges of the area, but what you say of that area was said of all sorts of neighborhoods in the city that have improved with time.

He said it would never be anything but decent. That means it will always be decent. I see no problem with that analysis. There have been some ongoing problems with a few TGE properties south on Compton and Michigan (along with other places) for a while now. In particular a large apartment building that seems to attract a**holes. The neighborhood and the police are aware. This recent incident is not normal for TGE and is very upsetting. One can only hope that the story comes out that the perp and the victim knew eachother and had a dispute. If this is random, as always, it will be much more scary.

tge-atw wrote:He said it would never be anything but decent. That means it will always be decent. I see no problem with that analysis.

you may want to re-read him again.

leeharveyawesome wrote:It's doubtful the TGE will expand. The question is....will it shrink?

Depends. Go here. Post your thoughts.
http://nextstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8705

Roger Wyoming wrote:

tge-atw wrote:He said it would never be anything but decent. That means it will always be decent. I see no problem with that analysis.

you may want to re-read him again.

After re-re-reading him it appears that I am the perpetrator of a heinous transmogrification. In keeping with the forum rules, I have removed my right pinky at the first knuckle with a pair of rusty hedge-shears. I am mailing the evidence to Alex.

tge-atw wrote:

Roger Wyoming wrote:

tge-atw wrote:He said it would never be anything but decent. That means it will always be decent. I see no problem with that analysis.

you may want to re-read him again.

After re-re-reading him it appears that I am the perpetrator of a heinous transmogrification. In keeping with the forum rules, I have removed my right pinky at the first knuckle with a pair of rusty hedge-shears. I am mailing the evidence to Alex.

But wait.. I actually DID mean "anything BUT decent".
What a mess...

Anyway, some guy got shot dead at Michigan and Arsenal.

zun1026 wrote:I heard from a source that the police department is catching roughly 80% percent of criminals tied to reported crimes. The message should be..."If we don't know its happening, there isn't much we can do about it."

Finally, many of the robbers, burglars and theirs are moving from the north to the south. They are either actually moving to new buildings or just targeting the south...i.e. there is more to take from homes/cars/etc in S. STL than N. STL.

....at least this is what I heard.

That may be anecdotal evidence, but it seems pretty reliable to me, and it's exactly what I've heard from policemen that I know as well.

I've been quite concerned about crime in south St. Louis lately. Aside from the rash of break-ins and thefts, there was an attempted carjacking near my house that I wouldn't have known about if I didn't subscribe to the neighborhood listserve. And I also live far too close for comfort to the house on Idaho Avenue where the circulation manager from the St. Louis American was murdered in his backyard. The piece of crap responsible was on probation for second degree robbery. Apparently the prosecutor wanted him to serve 10 years, but he received probation because he had no prior adult convictions. There's such a thing as a reduced sentence from the maximum, and then there are the absolutely ridiculous scenarios like this that seem to play out in our municipal courts far too often.

So it doesn't matter how well the SLMPD does at rounding up criminals, (and in most cases, they do very well) because our city's justice system operates like a revolving door until someone innocent gets killed. I remember similar instances in the past, including one in which a thug received an SIS for his previous SIS before killing an innocent woman, wounding another, and terrorizing the victim's family in the process. Until our courts can assure criminals in our city will do appropriate time for the crime, the SLMPD will be forced to play Whac-A-Mole with criminals despite its resources and the best efforts of its officers. So as much as I love city living, I find it difficult to be anything but cynical about the wave of crime here when this cycle will undoubtedly continue for the foreseeable future.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia ... 0f31a.html

What? The most heinous crimes have happened in the city lately.

threeonefour wrote:

zun1026 wrote:I heard from a source that the police department is catching roughly 80% percent of criminals tied to reported crimes. The message should be..."If we don't know its happening, there isn't much we can do about it."

Finally, many of the robbers, burglars and theirs are moving from the north to the south. They are either actually moving to new buildings or just targeting the south...i.e. there is more to take from homes/cars/etc in S. STL than N. STL.

....at least this is what I heard.

That may be anecdotal evidence, but it seems pretty reliable to me, and it's exactly what I've heard from policemen that I know as well.

I've been quite concerned about crime in south St. Louis lately. Aside from the rash of break-ins and thefts, there was an attempted carjacking near my house that I wouldn't have known about if I didn't subscribe to the neighborhood listserve. And I also live far too close for comfort to the house on Idaho Avenue where the circulation manager from the St. Louis American was murdered in his backyard. The piece of crap responsible was on probation for second degree robbery. Apparently the prosecutor wanted him to serve 10 years, but he received probation because he had no prior adult convictions. There's such a thing as a reduced sentence from the maximum, and then there are the absolutely ridiculous scenarios like this that seem to play out in our municipal courts far too often.

So it doesn't matter how well the SLMPD does at rounding up criminals, (and in most cases, they do very well) because our city's justice system operates like a revolving door until someone innocent gets killed. I remember similar instances in the past, including one in which a thug received an SIS for his previous SIS before killing an innocent woman, wounding another, and terrorizing the victim's family in the process. Until our courts can assure criminals in our city will do appropriate time for the crime, the SLMPD will be forced to play Whac-A-Mole with criminals despite its resources and the best efforts of its officers. So as much as I love city living, I find it difficult to be anything but cynical about the wave of crime here when this cycle will undoubtedly continue for the foreseeable future.

Apparently our judges are being too lenient.... But it costs so much to put people away that we have to keep a quota.

We could implement a requirement that forces inmates to pay for their stay.

zun1026 wrote:We could implement a requirement that forces inmates to pay for their stay.

Already do, at least for the State and St. Louis County. Not completely sure about the City, but I would suspect it is the same.

Obviously, not everyone is covering their expense, but it can be reclaimed from offenders.

MattnSTL wrote:

zun1026 wrote:We could implement a requirement that forces inmates to pay for their stay.

Already do, at least for the State and St. Louis County. Not completely sure about the City, but I would suspect it is the same.

Obviously, not everyone is covering their expense, but it can be reclaimed from offenders.

I knew the state does that, but I am unsure about the county and pretty sure the city does not...could be wrong though.

Can we get Sheriff Joe to move here?

framer wrote:Can we get Sheriff Joe to move here?

Who?

framer wrote:Can we get Sheriff Joe to move here?

You mean the guy from Phoenix? It seems like all he cares about is Mexicans. We don't have so many of those here. Last thing we need to be doing is chasing off immigrants.