2,928
Life MemberLife Member
2,928

PostDec 01, 2025#10576

dbInSouthCity wrote:
Dec 01, 2025
Homicides after November

2025: 127
2024: 140
2023: 143
2022: 193
2021: 192
2020: 245
Great to see. Continuing to trend in the right direction. Very good things. 

All others: Let's stay on point here. Infighting doesn't help. Don't take the bait of some tin foil hat-wearing, taunting, wannabe provocateur. Cheers. 

2,620
Life MemberLife Member
2,620

PostDec 01, 2025#10577

Now we just need the population numbers to go the other direction and we can make an even more meaningful dent in our per capita murder rate

3,428
Life MemberLife Member
3,428

PostDec 02, 2025#10578

It is mainly about the denominator.  It's funny how folks seem to assume crime rankings are for the whole metro area.  And if you point out that metro area rankings tell a more accurate story, they claim you're cheating.  But our low denominator central city works the other way too on a few things.  Such as, per skyscraper web site, St. Louis has more skyscrapers per resident than Chicago.  And St Louis sells more major league sports tickets per resident than any city in North America.  But of course they say measuring that way is cheating.  Even AI, when asked about metro area crime rankings, often says it doesn't have that data, so answers about city limits crime instead,  Or falls back to conventional wisdom that St. Louis is the worst.  Frustrating.  

By the way, Here is AIs list of Smallest Primary Cities in the top 30 MSAs.  Not crime, just central city size.
Rank (by City Pop) Primary Named Central City MSA Title (Approx. Rank) Approximate City Population (2020-2024 Est.)
1 St. Louis, MO St. Louis, MO-IL MSA (21-23) ≈281,754−301,578
2 Pittsburgh, PA Pittsburgh, PA MSA (28-30) ≈302,971−303,255
3 Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN MSA (30-31) ≈311,097−314,000
4 Cleveland, OH Cleveland, OH MSA (34) ≈372,624
5 Tampa, FL Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL MSA (17-18) ≈387,924−408,510
6 Miami, FL Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach, FL MSA (6-8) ≈442,827−460,289
7 Atlanta, GA Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Roswell, GA MSA (7-9) ≈499,896−514,465
8 Kansas City, MO Kansas City, MO-KS MSA (31) ≈508,090−511,532
9 Sacramento, CA Sacramento–Roseville–Folsom, CA MSA (25-28) ≈526,384−526,669
10 Baltimore, MD Baltimore–Columbia–Towson, MD MSA (21-22) ≈559,266−585,708
11 Las Vegas, NV Las Vegas–Henderson–North Las Vegas, NV MSA (25-29) ≈641,903−678,922
12 Boston, MA Boston–Cambridge–Newton, MA-NH MSA (11-12) ≈646,622−675,647
13 Portland, OR Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro, OR-WA MSA (24-26) ≈622,882−653,344
14 Washington, D.C. Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA (6-7) ≈670,839−702,250
15 Denver, CO Denver–Aurora–Centennial, CO MSA (19) ≈716,234−729,019
16 Seattle, WA Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA MSA (15) ≈740,565−780,995
17 San Francisco, CA San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, CA MSA (12-13) ≈788,478−873,965
18 Indianapolis, IN Indianapolis–Carmel–Greenwood, IN MSA (29) ≈876,665−897,041
19 Columbus, OH Columbus, OH MSA (29-34) ≈905,748−933,263
20 Charlotte, NC Charlotte–Concord–Gastonia, NC-SC MSA (22-24) ≈874,579−943,476
21 Austin, TX Austin–Round Rock–Georgetown, TX MSA (24-27) ≈961,855−993,588
22 San Jose, CA San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA (30) ≈956,433−1,013,240
23 Dallas, TX Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington, TX MSA (4-5) ≈1,302,753−1,326,087
24 San Diego, CA San Diego–Chula Vista–Carlsbad, CA MSA (17) ≈1,386,932−1,404,452
25 San Antonio, TX San Antonio–New Braunfels, TX MSA (20-24) ≈1,434,625−1,526,656
26 Philadelphia, PA Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA (8-9) ≈1,533,828−1,603,797
27 Phoenix, AZ Phoenix–Mesa–Chandler, AZ MSA (5-10) ≈1,608,139−1,673,164
28 Houston, TX Houston–Pasadena–The Woodlands, TX MSA (4-5) ≈2,304,580−2,390,125
29 Chicago, IL Chicago–Naperville–Elgin, IL-IN MSA (3) ≈2,638,159−2,746,388
30 Los Angeles, CA Los Angeles–Long Beach–Anaheim, CA MSA (2) ≈3,795,936−3,898,747
31 New York City, NY New York–Newark–Jersey City, NY-NJ MSA (1) ≈8,097,282−8,804,190

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 05, 2025#10579

Total crime in St. Louis City through November is down 9% in 2025 vs 2024. Violent crime is down 11.46% 2024. Total violent crime is on pace to be the lowest going back to the 1960s
3.jpg (222.73KiB)

1,641
Totally AddictedTotally Addicted
1,641

PostDec 05, 2025#10580

It seems logical that as the population decreases that crime would also decrease. At some point the County will outpace the City in homicides based solely on the population shift. Could this be the year? There was a double in North County just last night!

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 05, 2025#10581

Homicide trend in stl county has followed the same trend in stl city 

951
Super MemberSuper Member
951

PostDec 09, 2025#10582


2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 09, 2025#10583

Chief Tracy on new contract through 2029. Good news!

65
New MemberNew Member
65

PostDec 13, 2025#10584

I'm glad he is staying as well, unfortunately it looks like he will have to pickup another job to make up the difference in pay. Some have been saying there might be a teaching job at a local university in the mix. However I feel like he should be able to only focus on the Chiefs position and not have his time taken up elsewhere. I can't see why we can't pull an extra $100K from our budget so he can have his full attention on one of the most important issue our city faces. I know the argument against this is that we will have to raise the Fire Chiefs as well but $200K is just a drop in the our spending bucket.

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 13, 2025#10585

If the city and county homicides were combined, the rate per 100,000 would be about 12.8-13.5. That would be in about the middle of the pack of the largest 50 cities. Dallas, Phoenix, Houston are in the 11-15 per 100k range. NYC is around 5 per 100k.

2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 13, 2025#10586

It’s really unclear to me how this legislatively and administratively would be possible. I’m not convinced. If it were, I’d think every large metropolitan area would have at least an example of this. If STL is the first, it won’t be long until every region does the same.

Also, I thought homicides were only reported by St. Louis County if within unincorporated areas otherwise included in whichever local jurisdictions. Is that wrong?

399K under St. Louis County, 32 in 2024
280K under St. Louis City, 150 in 2024
679k total, 182 in 2024, 27 per 100,000
About 5th

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 13, 2025#10587

STL county data includes wildwood, Jennings, and a few other places that the county patrols via contract.  The rest of the county had a less than 10 homicides ytd in 2025

2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 14, 2025#10588

Neighborhood breakdown through November 2024 v November 2025.

Big increases in Walnut Park, Wells Goodfellow, Greater Ville, Ville, and Carondelet Park. Dutchtown with a staggering 11 homicides alone.

Big decreases in JeffVanderLou, Downtown/Downtown West.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 14, 2025#10589

There is a typo in the data, downtown is still at zero in the daily homicide

595
Senior MemberSenior Member
595

PostDec 15, 2025#10590

Chief’s Kingdom is officially poof!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 23, 2025#10591

Buh bye doofus!

Judge ousts St. Louis Sheriff Alfred Montgomery from office

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 34885.html

13K
Life MemberLife Member
13K

PostDec 23, 2025#10592

DB sure called that one.

Now can we get a serious, non-corrupt person for this job?

9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 24, 2025#10593

John Hayden has been doing it since big Al went to prison. I think the idea now is to make it permanent

2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 24, 2025#10594

I hope so. It'd be cool if all three parties (Mayor, BOA, State Attorney) could just agree to keep Hayden and mediate behind closed doors for future policy updates. It's a story that will eat up so much time if not. Darlene Green received a check by mistake and the Post is still writing about it. I read each article and all I get is that a weird employment circumstance created a clerical error. 

740
Senior MemberSenior Member
740

PostDec 30, 2025#10595


9,529
Life MemberLife Member
9,529

PostDec 31, 2025#10596

Bit of a disappointing last week, a few domestic homicides with multiple victims pushed it to 139. Were on a 133 pace
IMG_4925.jpeg (146.3KiB)

PostDec 31, 2025#10597

2025:
January through June: 66 (local control)
July through December: 73 (state control)

2024:
January through June: 84
July through December: 67

2024 to 2025 change;
Jan > June: -21%
July > Dec: +9%.

PostDec 31, 2025#10598

By patrol
IMG_4936.jpeg (191.3KiB)

2,674
Life MemberLife Member
2,674

PostDec 31, 2025#10599

Yeah, terrible end of the year. North Patrol has to be the focus going into 2026.

Can you determine pre-tornado? Theoretically, a natural disaster would exasperate socioeconomic conditions which result in more crimes.

North Patrol
Through May 2024: 33
Through May 2025: 28

Total 2024: 64
Total 2025: 82

Seems to be some correlation

Post2:44 PM - Jan 01#10600

addxb2 wrote:I hope so. It'd be cool if all three parties (Mayor, BOA, State Attorney) could just agree to keep Hayden and mediate behind closed doors for future policy updates. It's a story that will eat up so much time if not. Darlene Green received a check by mistake and the Post is still writing about it. I read each article and all I get is that a weird employment circumstance created a clerical error. 
lol




It’s bonkers to me that anyone cares this deeply about appointing an interim Sheriff. Especially in a place where the Sheriff is a step above irrelevant. This has gone from nothing to Megan Green & friends breaking the City’s sourcing procedures.

To do it with a sue and investigation hungry Attorney General in proximity is crazy!

Read more posts (97 remaining)