Serious question... why are you here? You clearly have a very low opinion of most of the people here and have no interest in anything remotely resembling constructive dialogue, so again... why are you posting here?Aesir wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021You no longer gaf? Yeah, I don't believe you. People like you do this all the time, "I don't care anymore". Yet you still push for the mandates. Seems you care a lot. But you're too cowardly to say it plainly.gone corporate wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021My personal take: Now that we have vaccines going into kids 5-12 y/o, I no longer GAF for the majority of unvaccinated adults who are refusing to get vaccinated as a matter of personal choice. I give deference to the fact that Christian Scientists (the religion, not some carryall term) more often than not refuse medication as a tenet of their faith. They have that choice, which I say is misguided, but whatever. I also empathize for those who are immunocompromised and cannot receive the vaccine right now; they don't even have the choice we all do. I have family in this category. I get it. Here's hoping they stay healthy throughout. Otherwise, by and large I don't care anymore. In full libertarian mindset, I must abide by the choices of others who choose to remain non-vaccinated. Same time, I tell them all that they're playing with fire. When they die, it'll be less tragic.
So, yeah, we get what y'all are saying. You've said it a whole hell of a lot. We just don't think your opinion is important here. I'd rather have this thread be about news on the pandemic's spread - FFS, I'm most interested in how this whole thing is effecting the economy, of STL and beyond. The rates of disease spread, hospitalizations, and deaths are what I'm following here. IDGAF about hearing how you don't believe in the facts any more. That's not PC, but just being tired of reading the snark. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't post that stuff, but I will say that I'm personally tired of reading it. Sometimes it's funny, so if you're going to keep doing it, please at least make it funny.
In the interim, please exercise and lose weight! There's an incredibly high correlation between the unhealthy and those dying. That's why it's called a comorbidity! Or don't, that's your choice, just don't be mad at me when you're posthumously nominated for the Herman Cain Award.
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"Don't give them medical coverage, its their choice!!" Ok, lets play this game. Give me huge discounts on my medical coverage then. I am a fit, healthy person, and I am at next to no risk for a huge myriad of EXPENSIVE medical procedures. If I am not going to be provided care, then charge me less. I am being forced to subsidize fatties, alcoholics. I already pay way more to cover the asses of people. Want to start denying me coverage? Then charge me less? Agree?
Or, do you not agree, and you are simply playing games and trying to punish the unvaccinated, despite imploring us to no end about *how much you just don't care*"?
Right dude, I get it, you don't care. You don't care a hell of a lot.
"You've said it a whole hell of a lot."
Once again pretty rich coming from Mr. Paragraphs of "I just don't care".
Oh, and finally:
"We just don't think your opinion is important here."
This from you, larping as some corporate insider, when the vast majority of your "scoops" have been complete bullsh*t?
Go ahead and ban me, you get better insider info from the nerds at reddit anyway.
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Because they're smarter than everyone else and they are just trying to "help" us sheepleDTGstl314 wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021Serious question... why are you here? You clearly have a very low opinion of most of the people here and have no interest in anything remotely resembling constructive dialogue, so again... why are you posting here?Aesir wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021You no longer gaf? Yeah, I don't believe you. People like you do this all the time, "I don't care anymore". Yet you still push for the mandates. Seems you care a lot. But you're too cowardly to say it plainly.gone corporate wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021My personal take: Now that we have vaccines going into kids 5-12 y/o, I no longer GAF for the majority of unvaccinated adults who are refusing to get vaccinated as a matter of personal choice. I give deference to the fact that Christian Scientists (the religion, not some carryall term) more often than not refuse medication as a tenet of their faith. They have that choice, which I say is misguided, but whatever. I also empathize for those who are immunocompromised and cannot receive the vaccine right now; they don't even have the choice we all do. I have family in this category. I get it. Here's hoping they stay healthy throughout. Otherwise, by and large I don't care anymore. In full libertarian mindset, I must abide by the choices of others who choose to remain non-vaccinated. Same time, I tell them all that they're playing with fire. When they die, it'll be less tragic.
So, yeah, we get what y'all are saying. You've said it a whole hell of a lot. We just don't think your opinion is important here. I'd rather have this thread be about news on the pandemic's spread - FFS, I'm most interested in how this whole thing is effecting the economy, of STL and beyond. The rates of disease spread, hospitalizations, and deaths are what I'm following here. IDGAF about hearing how you don't believe in the facts any more. That's not PC, but just being tired of reading the snark. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't post that stuff, but I will say that I'm personally tired of reading it. Sometimes it's funny, so if you're going to keep doing it, please at least make it funny.
In the interim, please exercise and lose weight! There's an incredibly high correlation between the unhealthy and those dying. That's why it's called a comorbidity! Or don't, that's your choice, just don't be mad at me when you're posthumously nominated for the Herman Cain Award.
(End rant)
"Don't give them medical coverage, its their choice!!" Ok, lets play this game. Give me huge discounts on my medical coverage then. I am a fit, healthy person, and I am at next to no risk for a huge myriad of EXPENSIVE medical procedures. If I am not going to be provided care, then charge me less. I am being forced to subsidize fatties, alcoholics. I already pay way more to cover the asses of people. Want to start denying me coverage? Then charge me less? Agree?
Or, do you not agree, and you are simply playing games and trying to punish the unvaccinated, despite imploring us to no end about *how much you just don't care*"?
Right dude, I get it, you don't care. You don't care a hell of a lot.
"You've said it a whole hell of a lot."
Once again pretty rich coming from Mr. Paragraphs of "I just don't care".
Oh, and finally:
"We just don't think your opinion is important here."
This from you, larping as some corporate insider, when the vast majority of your "scoops" have been complete bullsh*t?
Go ahead and ban me, you get better insider info from the nerds at reddit anyway.
Is it possible to get this thread back on track without the culture war humbug?
My question from a few days ago was "at what point, if any, do we reconsider the drive to vaccinate as the primary (arguably, only) policy the federal government is actively pursuing?"
Some of you said, "never, give me all the jabs."
Others said, "once or so a year sounds ok, like the flu shot."
And some said, "F*** the vaccine."
Cards on the table, I started 2021 firmly in the first camp (got my two jabs in May). but have drifted into camp 2 and am seriously thinking about Camp 3. Here's why:
First, while the public health messaging is that "everyone should (MUST?) get vaccinated, we (both Gov't and PHRMA) are making little effort to share the IP, etc. with other countries so that they, too, can get vaccinated. Unless, of course, said countries' (relatively poorer) governments are willing to pay for them (or, to a very limited extent, have them donated by richer countries like the US who do pay full freight for them). This means of course that lessor developed countries around the world will not be getting vaccinated at sufficient levels to curb spread and, by extension, mutation, any time soon. Here's the uber-establishment Brookings Institution on some of the policy issues and what the feds could do to either entice or compel PHRMA to play ball. In other words, if the feds really cared about ending the pandemic, and believed vaccinations were the solution, there would be an actual (not just symbolic) effort to do so. There's not, so something else must be going on.
Second, there is a very interesting debate happening right now in evolutionary biology about whether non-sterilizing vaccines (i.e., don't prevent infection and have limited effect on spread, but do limit morbidity/mortality, you know, the kind we have for COVID) actually increase selective pressure on viruses and thereby accelerate adaptation into new variants. That this happens is largely accepted, but whether its at play with COVID-19 and what to do about it is contested. Here's a nature article that says "full speed ahead," but here's one from JAMA that's a little more cautious. I can't say which is more persuasive, but it certainly seems like an important question to ask.
Now, knowing that this is a real threat, and that current variants of concern have originated out of slow-to-vaccinate countries, wouldn't that further compel some combo of governments and PHRMA to get more jabs distributed globally as fast as possible? So why aren't they doing that? Something else must be going on.
Third, one thing is abundantly clear: PHRMA companies are making a killing selling vaccines to governments, including vaccines produced in no small part thanks to government subsidies of one form or another. PHRMA spends a lot of money lobbying congress, and makes a similar effort to churn executives through the revolving door of key gov't agencies. And let's also remember, this isn't the most honest industry in the world. Pfizer, in particular, may even have covered up serious data integrity issues with its clinical trials, and the FDA may be actively helping them to stonewall scientists and universities from investigating.
TLDR: The rhetoric about the pandemic and the vaccines doesn't match the policy actions taken, half-hearted efforts to vaccinate the global population may be accelerating the evolution of the virus and prolonging the pandemic, and both PHRMA and (at least some of) the feds have the incentives and the power to keep it that way.
Conclusion: A large dose of skepticism about the vaccines and vaccine-related policies, and compassion for those who are skeptical, is warranted and I would even say necessary.
My question from a few days ago was "at what point, if any, do we reconsider the drive to vaccinate as the primary (arguably, only) policy the federal government is actively pursuing?"
Some of you said, "never, give me all the jabs."
Others said, "once or so a year sounds ok, like the flu shot."
And some said, "F*** the vaccine."
Cards on the table, I started 2021 firmly in the first camp (got my two jabs in May). but have drifted into camp 2 and am seriously thinking about Camp 3. Here's why:
First, while the public health messaging is that "everyone should (MUST?) get vaccinated, we (both Gov't and PHRMA) are making little effort to share the IP, etc. with other countries so that they, too, can get vaccinated. Unless, of course, said countries' (relatively poorer) governments are willing to pay for them (or, to a very limited extent, have them donated by richer countries like the US who do pay full freight for them). This means of course that lessor developed countries around the world will not be getting vaccinated at sufficient levels to curb spread and, by extension, mutation, any time soon. Here's the uber-establishment Brookings Institution on some of the policy issues and what the feds could do to either entice or compel PHRMA to play ball. In other words, if the feds really cared about ending the pandemic, and believed vaccinations were the solution, there would be an actual (not just symbolic) effort to do so. There's not, so something else must be going on.
Second, there is a very interesting debate happening right now in evolutionary biology about whether non-sterilizing vaccines (i.e., don't prevent infection and have limited effect on spread, but do limit morbidity/mortality, you know, the kind we have for COVID) actually increase selective pressure on viruses and thereby accelerate adaptation into new variants. That this happens is largely accepted, but whether its at play with COVID-19 and what to do about it is contested. Here's a nature article that says "full speed ahead," but here's one from JAMA that's a little more cautious. I can't say which is more persuasive, but it certainly seems like an important question to ask.
Now, knowing that this is a real threat, and that current variants of concern have originated out of slow-to-vaccinate countries, wouldn't that further compel some combo of governments and PHRMA to get more jabs distributed globally as fast as possible? So why aren't they doing that? Something else must be going on.
Third, one thing is abundantly clear: PHRMA companies are making a killing selling vaccines to governments, including vaccines produced in no small part thanks to government subsidies of one form or another. PHRMA spends a lot of money lobbying congress, and makes a similar effort to churn executives through the revolving door of key gov't agencies. And let's also remember, this isn't the most honest industry in the world. Pfizer, in particular, may even have covered up serious data integrity issues with its clinical trials, and the FDA may be actively helping them to stonewall scientists and universities from investigating.
TLDR: The rhetoric about the pandemic and the vaccines doesn't match the policy actions taken, half-hearted efforts to vaccinate the global population may be accelerating the evolution of the virus and prolonging the pandemic, and both PHRMA and (at least some of) the feds have the incentives and the power to keep it that way.
Conclusion: A large dose of skepticism about the vaccines and vaccine-related policies, and compassion for those who are skeptical, is warranted and I would even say necessary.
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@Aesir : Dude, you’re cracking me up. Your assessment had so many false conclusions and presumptions to what my beliefs are or may be that I’m seriously wondering what you’re reading. And “cowardly”? This is an internet forum on regional economic development, and you’re calling strangers cowards for having the overwhelming consensus’ understanding on the pandemic?
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So, allow me to retort:
1. As benevolently as possible saying this, I really don’t care what you do so long as your problems don’t become my problems. You can believe it as much as you like, or you can choose to not do so. I know I’m saying this for a reason: to be deliberate. In the end, I’m very libertarian in my outlook, so you do you, and good luck with that.
2. I am not and have not been pushing for new or more mandates, especially as 5-12 y/o kids can now get vaccinated. You’re inferring things that are not necessarily true or that I’ve discussed. If your employer demands that you get vaccinated, then you have the choice to either get vaccinated, quit, or seek satisfaction in a court of law. I made the choice years ago to work for myself, and on a personal note I’m thankful that I did for the freedoms that come with it.
3. "Don't give them medical coverage, it’s their choice!!"… What the hell are you talking about? I’m not talking about removing medical coverage or any of that stuff. Seriously, what website are you reading? Again, you’re inferring things that are not necessarily true and certainly not what I’ve discussed.
4. If you have a problem with how you’re billed for health insurance, then go someplace and talk about that in a conversation focused on that. Don’t equate that issue, which is as valid as can be, with the state of the pandemic. Glad to know you’re fit and in good health.
5. I’m not trying to “play games” with or “punish” the unvaccinated. I’m vaccinated because I chose to be. You can vaccinate, or not, as you see fit. Your business is your business, so long as it doesn’t become my problem. Otherwise, no one’s playing games with you, so get off the cross.
6. “We just don’t think your opinion is important here.” Well, I never said your opinion isn’t important here. Let me say, however, that I’ve heard your opinion already, and you don’t need to repeat it. I heard you the first time. We’ve all heard it by now. A deaf man can hear you. That should be enough. It’s grown repetitive and quite tiresome.
7. “LARPing as some ‘corporate insider’”? Not quite. Then again, I’m pretty indifferent to online insults. I don’t have to defend myself from such petty comments. We’re strangers on an internet forum, and here I really DGAF.
Respectfully, and IMHO, you’re not being persecuted for your thoughts here as much as you seem to think you are. Maybe you should quit provoking everyone, especially your calling people “cowards”, and then trying to play the victim. You’re not a victim; you’re just really emotional.
Mods: As much as he says he doesn’t care, I personally don’t want Aesir banned – and certainly not @leeharveyawesome , who maybe has similar thoughts to the pandemic in this thread but is a fun contributor with some notably solid wit in his writings. I’m not really thinking y’all would, but I thought I’d ask this out loud all the same. Thanks.
I certainly hope we’re done here.
To the rest of the forum… Is there any actionable, STL-centric news on the pandemic in the last 24?
So, allow me to retort:
1. As benevolently as possible saying this, I really don’t care what you do so long as your problems don’t become my problems. You can believe it as much as you like, or you can choose to not do so. I know I’m saying this for a reason: to be deliberate. In the end, I’m very libertarian in my outlook, so you do you, and good luck with that.
2. I am not and have not been pushing for new or more mandates, especially as 5-12 y/o kids can now get vaccinated. You’re inferring things that are not necessarily true or that I’ve discussed. If your employer demands that you get vaccinated, then you have the choice to either get vaccinated, quit, or seek satisfaction in a court of law. I made the choice years ago to work for myself, and on a personal note I’m thankful that I did for the freedoms that come with it.
3. "Don't give them medical coverage, it’s their choice!!"… What the hell are you talking about? I’m not talking about removing medical coverage or any of that stuff. Seriously, what website are you reading? Again, you’re inferring things that are not necessarily true and certainly not what I’ve discussed.
4. If you have a problem with how you’re billed for health insurance, then go someplace and talk about that in a conversation focused on that. Don’t equate that issue, which is as valid as can be, with the state of the pandemic. Glad to know you’re fit and in good health.
5. I’m not trying to “play games” with or “punish” the unvaccinated. I’m vaccinated because I chose to be. You can vaccinate, or not, as you see fit. Your business is your business, so long as it doesn’t become my problem. Otherwise, no one’s playing games with you, so get off the cross.
6. “We just don’t think your opinion is important here.” Well, I never said your opinion isn’t important here. Let me say, however, that I’ve heard your opinion already, and you don’t need to repeat it. I heard you the first time. We’ve all heard it by now. A deaf man can hear you. That should be enough. It’s grown repetitive and quite tiresome.
7. “LARPing as some ‘corporate insider’”? Not quite. Then again, I’m pretty indifferent to online insults. I don’t have to defend myself from such petty comments. We’re strangers on an internet forum, and here I really DGAF.
Respectfully, and IMHO, you’re not being persecuted for your thoughts here as much as you seem to think you are. Maybe you should quit provoking everyone, especially your calling people “cowards”, and then trying to play the victim. You’re not a victim; you’re just really emotional.
Mods: As much as he says he doesn’t care, I personally don’t want Aesir banned – and certainly not @leeharveyawesome , who maybe has similar thoughts to the pandemic in this thread but is a fun contributor with some notably solid wit in his writings. I’m not really thinking y’all would, but I thought I’d ask this out loud all the same. Thanks.
I certainly hope we’re done here.
To the rest of the forum… Is there any actionable, STL-centric news on the pandemic in the last 24?
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Of course it's up to the mods whether to remove Aesir and LeeHarvey but I'd prefer they stick around to show just how foolish the anti-vaxx argument is.
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^As a writer, he's a good contributor. He's got personality.
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Jfc people- can we stop publishing books.
Listen if someone doesn’t want to take a vaccine, that’s fine who cares but I will not listen to bunch of bullsh*t pseudo science on why not. It’s like idiots with guns- just say you like guns that’s why you have one, don’t give me some bs to protect your family. Like how many f’in enemies do you have that you need a gun to protect yourself.
Anyway. Go get your boosters. They are shown to prevent 75% of symptomatic omicron infectious.
Listen if someone doesn’t want to take a vaccine, that’s fine who cares but I will not listen to bunch of bullsh*t pseudo science on why not. It’s like idiots with guns- just say you like guns that’s why you have one, don’t give me some bs to protect your family. Like how many f’in enemies do you have that you need a gun to protect yourself.
Anyway. Go get your boosters. They are shown to prevent 75% of symptomatic omicron infectious.
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COVID Booster Cuts Death Rate by 90%, Israeli Study Finds
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-08/covid-booster-cuts-death-rate-by-90-israeli-study-finds
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-08/covid-booster-cuts-death-rate-by-90-israeli-study-finds
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Wear a mask (N95) as well, the vaccine prevention is likely to be temporary and won't prevent becoming a carrier.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021Jfc people- can we stop publishing books.
Listen if someone doesn’t want to take a vaccine, that’s fine who cares but I will not listen to bunch of bullsh*t pseudo science on why not. It’s like idiots with guns- just say you like guns that’s why you have one, don’t give me some bs to protect your family. Like how many f’in enemies do you have that you need a gun to protect yourself.
Anyway. Go get your boosters. They are shown to prevent 75% of symptomatic omicron infectious.
Thousands of years ago somebody probably said something similar about outhouses.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021The idea of the whole human race wearing masks for the rest of eternity is not a remotely practical one.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021It would be much better and cheaper to wear masks and distance to eliminate COVID, but politically that ship has probably sailed. Unless there's a variant that kills rich people, we'll either keep vaccinating or just "live" with a new biggest cause of death and -6 years of life expectancy.
In any case, we only have to wear masks until we gain control of COVID. It's not like everybody in China is still wearing masks 24/7; they crushed the pandemic and moved on over a year ago, only responding locally to outbreaks. We (as a nation) don't have to prolong the pandemic eternally, that's a policy choice we've made.
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On a societal level, the coming omicron wave is concerning.
The largely ignored mask mandate isn't helping. Ontario is re-introducing capacity limits of 50%. Watching CBC News and it's apparent omicron is being treated as a huge threat. Here, crickets.
It doesn't seem like there's much impetus to impose any restrictions here as our hospitalizations top 500 locally and look like they'll easily eclipse all previous waves other than last winter's. And omicron hasn't really even had a local impact yet, if our meager sequencing effort is to be believed.
The largely ignored mask mandate isn't helping. Ontario is re-introducing capacity limits of 50%. Watching CBC News and it's apparent omicron is being treated as a huge threat. Here, crickets.
It doesn't seem like there's much impetus to impose any restrictions here as our hospitalizations top 500 locally and look like they'll easily eclipse all previous waves other than last winter's. And omicron hasn't really even had a local impact yet, if our meager sequencing effort is to be believed.
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What concerns me is how many people seem to be making up their own stats and facts.
So many people are telling me that high hospitalization numbers are a myth, made up by the government and healthcare providers to pull the wool over the public's eyes. The government and their... their agenda!
I've also had a number of people tell me that they've heard omnicron is supposed to be a weaker strain, and I just don't know where they're getting this outside of their own delusions.
So many people are telling me that high hospitalization numbers are a myth, made up by the government and healthcare providers to pull the wool over the public's eyes. The government and their... their agenda!
I've also had a number of people tell me that they've heard omnicron is supposed to be a weaker strain, and I just don't know where they're getting this outside of their own delusions.
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It's double-stupid because the government's explicit aim is to downplay the pandemic for short-term economic reasons. So people are taking the prettied-up, watered-down public take on COVID and then discounting it even further.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021What concerns me is how many people seem to be making up their own stats and facts.
So many people are telling me that high hospitalization numbers are a myth, made up by the government and healthcare providers to pull the wool over the public's eyes. The government and their... their agenda!
I've also had a number of people tell me that they've heard omnicron is supposed to be a weaker strain, and I just don't know where they're getting this outside of their own delusions.
I think the Mild Omicron meme is due to two main factors:
a) the initial wave in South Africa mainly hit, I believe, young and previously-infected people, so overall hospitalizations per capita were low (not lower than Delta for the same demographic shhh)
b) it takes a month or so to die from COVID and death reporting can take even longer (speaking from experience), and Omicron has been identified for less than a month therefore "Omicron hasn't even killed anyone yet"
Now, it may yet prove to be milder than Delta, but we don't have enough info to say that. In May the media was saying Delta was milder, too. And even if Omicron has a lower CFR, if it's 2x as infectious then it will still result in more hospitalizations/deaths.
In response to your last point, "The omicron variant appears to cause less severe disease than previous versions of the coronavirus...according to an analysis of data from South Africa," so it's not an unfounded assertion. However, research is still ongoing, it may be less severe but that doesn't necessarily mean it's mild, and vaccines (especially with a booster) are still showing to be effective against hospitalization and reduce one's odds of infection.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021What concerns me is how many people seem to be making up their own stats and facts.
So many people are telling me that high hospitalization numbers are a myth, made up by the government and healthcare providers to pull the wool over the public's eyes. The government and their... their agenda!
I've also had a number of people tell me that they've heard omnicron is supposed to be a weaker strain, and I just don't know where they're getting this outside of their own delusions.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health ... g-vaccines
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The doubters just want to have it both ways.
They want to say that the scientists don't know what they're talking about while also spewing their own manufactured facts.
They want to cast doubt on medical professionals that have absolutely no reason to lie to the public about this while attempting to bolster their favorite blog's or Facebook page's credibility -- and in the name of what, exactly? Freedumb? Amurika?
They want to say that the scientists don't know what they're talking about while also spewing their own manufactured facts.
They want to cast doubt on medical professionals that have absolutely no reason to lie to the public about this while attempting to bolster their favorite blog's or Facebook page's credibility -- and in the name of what, exactly? Freedumb? Amurika?
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https://missouriindependent.com/2021/12 ... -covid-19/
Uncounted: Inaccurate death certificates across the country hide the true toll of COVID-19
Some counties, like Cape Girardeau, have seen a spike in deaths that aren’t attributed to COVID-19. Many of them, blamed on natural causes, are likely from the coronavirus
"Cape Girardeau County in Missouri; Hinds and Rankin counties in Mississippi; and Lafayette Parish in Louisiana are four of the 10 counties with the greatest spike in deaths not attributed to COVID-19. In those communities, official COVID-19 deaths account for just half of the increase in deaths in 2020."
Uncounted: Inaccurate death certificates across the country hide the true toll of COVID-19
Some counties, like Cape Girardeau, have seen a spike in deaths that aren’t attributed to COVID-19. Many of them, blamed on natural causes, are likely from the coronavirus
"Cape Girardeau County in Missouri; Hinds and Rankin counties in Mississippi; and Lafayette Parish in Louisiana are four of the 10 counties with the greatest spike in deaths not attributed to COVID-19. In those communities, official COVID-19 deaths account for just half of the increase in deaths in 2020."
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Gop base at it again
People Got Sick at a Conspiracy Conference. They’re Sure It’s Anthrax.
The fact that the conference was likely a COVID outbreak and superspreader event has been almost entirely ignored.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wz5a/ ... ts-anthrax
People Got Sick at a Conspiracy Conference. They’re Sure It’s Anthrax.
The fact that the conference was likely a COVID outbreak and superspreader event has been almost entirely ignored.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wz5a/ ... ts-anthrax
But isn't the obverse also true? Aren't many deaths reported as "Covid deaths" simply because the subject had Covid at the time, even though it wasn't the direct cause of death?
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That may be the case, but the fact that the COVID count isn't even close to the sudden jump in annual deaths is a strong indicator that we're under counting. I'm not sure what the alternative could be, without veering into crazy conspiracy territory like "500k Americans died of mask asphyxiation" or something.framer wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2021But isn't the obverse also true? Aren't many deaths reported as "Covid deaths" simply because the subject had Covid at the time, even though it wasn't the direct cause of death?
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Covid deaths are undercounted by probably 200,000-300,000 in the US. A lot of rural hospitals and medical coroners are being forced by families not to say it’s covid. They can’t bring themselves to admit it was covid. It’s bizarre.
Timely
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And... if you think about that undercount in terms of the 'Red Covid' data that was just reported on... and which counties are at the top of that undercounted list... really makes you think how the red-covid is probably even more dramatic than previously reported.
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Well if you build your identity on the idea that COVID is fake, it makes sense. It'd be like a minister admitting that he was mugged by Thor.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2021framer wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2021But isn't the obverse also true? Aren't many deaths reported as "Covid deaths" simply because the subject had Covid at the time, even though it wasn't the direct cause of death?
Covid deaths are undercounted by probably 200,000-300,000 in the US. A lot of rural hospitals and medical coroners are being forced by families not to say it’s covid. They can’t bring themselves to admit it was covid. It’s bizarre.