It's becoming clear that this virus is going to affect St. Louis. Figured we should probably start a thread for what is to come. Economic ripples are going to affect everything from the airport, to both large and small business, to development. Hopefully this blows over soon.

People amaze me.   They just had to be seen at the Ritz.

By this time next week sh*t will have officially hit the fan in the US with this- why? By end of this week there will be about 2,000,000 tests available (vs 70,000 last week) as people get tested the numbers will explode. The biggest tennis tournament outside of the 4 grand slams was canceled yesterday- it was suppose to start today in California. I can see blues and Battlehawks games being played with no fans present. MLB season pushed off a month and shortened. This will also be brutal for construction progress being made in STL. China has been able to reverse this in a month but it’s also china- everyone stays home or you’re shot. This is why we need robust funding for public infrastructure (like CDC). The just half-ass it until it’s too late policies of the right screw us every. single. time.
Hopefully you won’t have to sell that AR-15 to make your house payment tho.

I ran into Schnucks today to grab lunch (can't beat their hot food by the way pretty tasty cheaper than McDonalds)
Anyway out of curiosity I went on a hunt.   Not one bottle of hand sanitizer, no one bottle of rubbing alcohol,
hand soaps going fast and the tissue and TP aisle dwindled down to a low supply.

^Not at Arsenal. Display set up with whatever you want.

newstl2020 wrote: ↑

Mar 09, 2020

^Not at Arsenal. Display set up with whatever you want.

I did overhear a employee tell a customer they were expecting a shipment later today.

My thoughts on this...

The virus is overblown. The global economy is losing trillions of dollars because of how the hysteria has been pumped up for this virus and no other. We also have to realize that when the Swine Flu was going around and other diseases that social media didn't have as many users as it does today. So, we spread information much faster and that creates problems. In addition to this, the media, while doing their job, are focusing a lot of their time on this and it's scaring the hell out of people. Some conspiracies I see all revolve around "the media are working with the Democrats to derail Trump's re-election bid by weakening the economy by over-reporting on the coronavirus in the hope of creating a recession". As a Republican myself, I do not see the media colluding to take down the President. They're doing their job despite some people not liking it. 

This virus can be contained via voluntary quarantine but we can't guarantee how many people will stay quarantined. We cannot force people either like China. Forcing people and threatening to send them to prison is completely wrong and China is wrong for shooting and arresting people if they leave their homes during this time. But what do you expect? It's China. Italy has quarantined a quarter of their population but I don't think they'll shoot anyone if Italians leave their homes in the quarantined areas.

We are literally shutting the global economy down through fear and quarantines. If the United States, or individual states, imposed massive, mandatory quarantines, the economy will come to a halt and small businesses will close. Going back to the conspiracy, no one wins if the economy collapses completely. People will lose their jobs, taxable income will drop, and there will be a spike (in some areas) in the homeless population. In St. Louis, this could very well end up being the case, and it will create numerous problems. We need to keep calm and carry on.

I think the places we should watch are Washington State (in particular, the Seattle area), New York, California and in the St. Louis area. I mention the St. Louis area, not because of the girl mentioned in the news and her dumbass father, but I mention STL because our response could greatly affect our economy. While we may not get many cases out of this incident, it's clear that we could derail our local economy by pushing more and more hysteria. DBinSouthCity mentioned that he could see Blues and Battlehawks games being played with no audience, I can't see that happening. If we get to that point, it would have to be awfully bad but with one case confirmed in St. Louis (a region of over 2 Million), it's nothing to be concerned about to shut us down. If we get a few thousand cases, then we should start looking at canceling events. And by a few thousand, I mean like 4000 cases. I highly doubt we will get there. I doubt we will get over 100 cases in STL.

Far more people get the flu every year than we have so far seen with the coronavirus. I do think the Feds should increase funding to the CDC immediately so that we can be at the front when trying to combat this. I believe that the majority of this will be done by May or June. By then, countries around the world will have seen a significant drop because of mandatory quarantines. At home in the U.S., steps will have been taken to reduce the number of new cases. In the meantime, I think we should consider suspending all air travel in the U.S. until early April to stop the inter-city spread. We should also close the borders with countries where the virus is spreading like wildfire. And please, no forced quarantines. There's no reason to force massive amounts of people into their homes, which becomes a prison when you can't leave.

I definitely agree Chris that this is over blown.
Percentage wise is it deadlier than the flu?
If that dumbass father's wife had the flu this wouldn't even be blip on anyone's radar.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Mar 09, 2020

My thoughts on this...

The virus is overblown. The global economy is losing trillions of dollars because of how the hysteria has been pumped up for this virus and no other. We also have to realize that when the Swine Flu was going around and other diseases that social media didn't have as many users as it does today. So, we spread information much faster and that creates problems. In addition to this, the media, while doing their job, are focusing a lot of their time on this and it's scaring the hell out of people. Some conspiracies I see all revolve around "the media are working with the Democrats to derail Trump's re-election bid by weakening the economy by over-reporting on the coronavirus in the hope of creating a recession". As a Republican myself, I do not see the media colluding to take down the President. They're doing their job despite some people not liking it. 

This virus can be contained via voluntary quarantine but we can't guarantee how many people will stay quarantined. We cannot force people either like China. Forcing people and threatening to send them to prison is completely wrong and China is wrong for shooting and arresting people if they leave their homes during this time. But what do you expect? It's China. Italy has quarantined a quarter of their population but I don't think they'll shoot anyone if Italians leave their homes in the quarantined areas.

We are literally shutting the global economy down through fear and quarantines. If the United States, or individual states, imposed massive, mandatory quarantines, the economy will come to a halt and small businesses will close. Going back to the conspiracy, no one wins if the economy collapses completely. People will lose their jobs, taxable income will drop, and there will be a spike (in some areas) in the homeless population. In St. Louis, this could very well end up being the case, and it will create numerous problems. We need to keep calm and carry on.

I think the places we should watch are Washington State (in particular, the Seattle area), New York, California and in the St. Louis area. I mention the St. Louis area, not because of the girl mentioned in the news and her dumbass father, but I mention STL because our response could greatly affect our economy. While we may not get many cases out of this incident, it's clear that we could derail our local economy by pushing more and more hysteria. DBinSouthCity mentioned that he could see Blues and Battlehawks games being played with no audience, I can't see that happening. If we get to that point, it would have to be awfully bad but with one case confirmed in St. Louis (a region of over 2 Million), it's nothing to be concerned about to shut us down. If we get a few thousand cases, then we should start looking at canceling events. And by a few thousand, I mean like 4000 cases. I highly doubt we will get there. I doubt we will get over 100 cases in STL.

Far more people get the flu every year than we have so far seen with the coronavirus. I do think the Feds should increase funding to the CDC immediately so that we can be at the front when trying to combat this. I believe that the majority of this will be done by May or June. By then, countries around the world will have seen a significant drop because of mandatory quarantines. At home in the U.S., steps will have been taken to reduce the number of new cases. In the meantime, I think we should consider suspending all air travel in the U.S. until early April to stop the inter-city spread. We should also close the borders with countries where the virus is spreading like wildfire. And please, no forced quarantines. There's no reason to force massive amounts of people into their homes, which becomes a prison when you can't leave.

I agree with many of your sentiments Chris, but your last paragraph is confusing. You don't want to see the local economy negatively impacted by this hysteria, but then you suggest shutting down air travel. Those don't seem compatible. 

^ True, it's contradicting and it will affect the local and national economy. However, it probably wouldn't be as bad as if we let the virus continue to spread and cause more hysteria. 

If we didn't shut the nationwide flights down, we could probably shut international. Nationwide, have those people at the airport that take people's temperatures. That could at least provide a form of protection against this virus. 

I know a local event space that's pummeled with cancellation this morning.  

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 09, 2020

I know a local event space that's pummeled with cancellation this morning.  

That's truly most unfortunate. Hopefully, they recover soon from the cancellations. If it's a small venue, there should really be no concern. 

True, most cases are mild.

But without more extreme measures, hospitals will quickly be overwhelmed with the not-so-mild cases. There's not that much excess capacity. Supposedly in Italy they're considering age limits on ICU access soon.

And I don't think you can call something mild that threatens to kill significant percentages of senior citizens. And it will find its way into every nursing home, it seems.

comparing this to the flu is silly-  we have a vaccine for the flu's.  even bad cases can be treated at a hospital for the most part.   there is no vaccine for at least a year.  there is nothing to treat you for if you have COVID-19. 

Flu is also predictable- we know how many cases we get a year and how to handle it at hospitals.    If COVID-19 spreads in the US like it did in Italy, our hospital system wont be able to handle the cases that require hospital visit due to capacity issues.   American Hospital Association predicts 96,000,000 infections, 4,700,000 hospital visits and 1,900,000 ICU cases with 450,000 deaths if this isnt controlled in the next 2 months.   80% of CDC budget for this type of thing was cut since trump came into office-   stock up of rice, beans and toilet paper. 

I don’t find this to be over blown there’s real concern cause it could mutate into something far more deadlier if not handled properly . It’s all about hygiene and let’s face it people have a hard time with cleanliness specially during public events. Seeing how some people behave and live mortifies me cause there’s a lot that don’t care and are more than willing to spread any type of virus and disease Anyways that’s just a small tidbit on how I feel about it all. Be safe and remember to be sanitary.


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Good place to see how much and how quickly its spreading. 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

This WILL overburden hospitals across the country. Mathematical models are predicting that Washington State will run out of hospital beds by March 25th at the latest.

The problem here isn’t like the swine flu where you stick an IV in your arm and control your fever. Hospitalized patients with COVID19 require assisted breathing devices, which don’t grow on trees. Cases are also known to last for weeks at a time, reducing patient turnover.

Consider that the low end estimate has 10% of those infected reaching this critical stage. Also consider that this virus is completely uncontained and far more communicable than the flu.

The math here is staring us right in the face. We are at the same point on the exponential curve that Italy was two weeks ago. This will be a problem we have to deal with for months.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Mar 09, 2020

This WILL overburden hospitals across the country. Mathematical models are predicting that Washington State will run out of hospital beds by March 25th at the latest.

The problem here isn’t like the swine flu where you stick an IV in your arm and control your fever. Hospitalized patients with COVID19 require assisted breathing devices, which don’t grow on trees. Cases are also known to last for weeks at a time, reducing patient turnover.

Consider that the low end estimate has 10% of those infected reaching this critical stage. Also consider that this virus is completely uncontained and far more communicable than the flu.

The math here is staring us right in the face. We are at the same point on the exponential curve that Italy was two weeks ago. This will be a problem we have to deal with for months.

AHA leaked power point-  about what may be coming.  

As someone who went through hell this past Winter with the Flu, Cancer diagnosis and necessary treatment, I should probably be worried and concerned but I’m not. That’s not how others are but I’m confident this will be brought under control in a reasonable amount of time despite what is being said.

People can disagree with me. I don’t care just we shouldn’t kill the economy for the sake of bringing this under control.