Shimmy wrote:^The stadium isn't really too close to Fairmount Park. Maybe in terms of distance, but there's a highway and cornfields between them so the roads go around.
It would be important for a Metro line, though, as it would add to the argument to get a line passing by both those places (as well as Cahokia Mounds) on its way to SIUE, hopefully - Saint Louis's second Division I school now.
Looks like it is going to be 2009 before an announcement, though. MLS is ridiculous.
Seems like we would have rumors swirling by now if it was going to happen. Maybe a story this weekend in the PD. If not, though, I would assume it is not happening. I don't think you just announce something like this out of the blue. Seems like the rumors were really swirling before they announced Philly and Seattle.
Little Egyptian wrote:Seems like we would have rumors swirling by now if it was going to happen. Maybe a story this weekend in the PD. If not, though, I would assume it is not happening. I don't think you just announce something like this out of the blue. Seems like the rumors were really swirling before they announced Philly and Seattle.
I agree that you'd think there'd be more noise surrounding the possibility, especially since the draft is going to be held here. It's like the economy- I'm just trying to be optimistic even though there's little if any evidence that suggests I should be.
The 2009 MLS SuperDraft takes place at the St. Louis Convention Center - America's Center (America's Ballroom) on Thursday, Jan. 15 at 2 p.m. ET. The first hour will be broadcast live on ESPN2; the remainder of the draft can be followed on MLSnet.com.
basically the commish is in weekly contact with Jeff cooper. They enjoyed breakfast this morning. And we may or may not get a franchise as early as 2011.
Economic conditions in FL are the named cause of Miami's bowing out, basically the collapsing residential markets and foreclosure rates. The argument for StL/Midwestern/"Fly-Over" markets are ringing again. The opportunities of strong fan base for soccer (futbol) in South Florida not being able to overcome the economic conditions is, while sad for Miami, great for StL's positioning.
Focus: Two picks will be named in 2009, perhaps this spring.
The three other candidates are Vancouver, Ottawa, and Portland.
Ottawa and Vancouver: won't be picked together, as they shouldn't flood Canada with franchises.
Vancouver and Portland: Close geographical proximities in NW corner of the continent; hard to be so region-specific.
Of the 3 other cities, I bet Vancouver is best-positioned as a growing metropolitan area to support a franchise.
With Miami gone, I pragmatically call StL a 50% chance of getting a franchise, and a 40% chance that it will be StL and Vancouver.
But for now, we are seeing more fan support and promise from the other cities -- Portland, Vancouver, Ottawa and St. Louis. We didn't sense that same local buzz from the soccer community in Miami.''
AB InBev has just given Cooper the Soccer Park in Fenton and has begun actively lobbying on behalf of StL United's bid.
A-B gives Soccer Park in Fenton to Cooper
By Tom Timmermann
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
Wednesday, Mar. 11 2009
Anheuser-Busch InBev is giving the A-B Center in Fenton to Jeff Cooper and St. Louis Soccer United, opening the possibility a Major League Soccer team could play on the Missouri side of the river.
Such a move would significantly alter the nature of Cooper’s bid as MLS’ self-set deadline for adding two expansion teams fast approaches, but it may not be enough to overcome strong bids in Portland and Vancouver. Vancouver looks to be a done deal and if the Portland City Council approves a stadium financing plan today, they look good for the other spot.
But it overcomes one of the main concerns the league has had about the St. Louis bid, that it’s proposed stadium in Collinsville is too far away from the team’s potential fan base and will strengthen the future prospects.
In addition to giving SLSU the land, A-B is throwing its muscle behind soccer, both professional and amateur.
The company, which expects to receive some tax benefits from the donation of the 32-acre soccer park, said it wants to be sure that the park remains the hub of youth soccer in the St. Louis area. The company has signed a non-binding letter of intent to transfer the property, to be followed within two months by a binding contract.
A-B expects that contract to include language ensuring that youth clubs throughout the St. Louis area "have a shot at using the facility," said Dan McHugh, vice president of media, sponsorship and activation at Anheuser-Busch Inc.
"Really, the idea here is to preserve youth soccer," said McHugh. "Our gentlemen's agreement is really making sure the park is operated in much the same way as it's operated today."
The deal speaks to Anheuser-Busch’s "commitment to our project, to youth soccer and to the St. Louis community at large," Cooper said by phone from England. "In my opinion, when you have the backing of the best company in the world, it helps your bid significantly.
"Second, it gives us a stadium opportunity on the Missouri side potentially. We to have work out issues, explore them and figure whether we can put a stadium there, but it gives us options in that regard. It also shows the credibility of our bid that Anheuser-Busch is throwing its lot in with us. They believe in the project enough to go this far. I think it’s a three-fold improvement in the bid."
Some issues would have to be dealt with at the Soccer Park site. Highway access is extremely limited, as is parking. Also, the site is occasionally flooded out by the adjacent Meramec River and that would have to be addressed.
If MLS passes on St. Louis in this round, Cooper sounds resolute to keep going.
"Our goal is to make our bid as strong as possible," he said. "We’ll get a team. We may not get it this month, but over the next year or so, we will get a team. And when we get a team, we want it to be 100 percent sustainable for generations. That’s what will make the franchise great. It’s incumbent on us to do it right when we do it. If our announcement throws off the process, it’s OK with me. I’d rather do it right than do it now."
Also, Anheuser-Busch, the league’s only remaining original corporate sponsor, has begun to lobby on behalf of Cooper’s group.
"We’ve had a dialog and discussion with the league," said Dan McHugh, vice president of Media, Sponsorship and Activation, Anheuser-Busch Inc. "We’re letting them know our efforts, emphasizing its such a thriving soccer community and that it makes so much sense that a franchise ends up in the North American soccer capital. We’ll do anything Anheuser-Busch can do to not only get that effort, but support that and preserve youth soccer programs within the St. Louis community."
Focus: It may be in IL, it may be in MO, but it looks stronger than ever that we will have a team. While I bet IL may still see the stadium built and be home of the team, the option of StL could be the upper hand in negotiations. Plus, the AB political machine is working MLS on StL's behalf, and that may be just the edge we need.
I would NEVER have considered being a season ticket holder, but with this possible new location I just might. I work a stones throw from the soccer park. There would need to be some substantial roadwork that would need to be done to handle the traffic and flow. There with out question would HAVE to be a new levee built to protect the site from flooding. I know of more than one occation where the soccer park bleachers have floated down stream and ended up in our back yard.
I'm sad to see the Soccer Park go as I spent many a summer at camp there and played many a game there as a kid playing CYC, SLYSA and high school ball there.
Grover wrote:IMO - this site makes more sense, though I think it should be located adjacent to a Metrolink station for better access.
MetroLink access would be nice, but there doesn't appear to be a station with sufficient space around it for soccer stadium, at least not on the Missouri side of the river. The only spot that I can see that has even a remote chance of working is immediately west of Union Station between 20th St. and 22nd St., north or south of Market.
However, I'm perfectly happy with Fenton if that's what it takes. Having AB Inbev lobbying on our behalf is a major boost.
Unfortunately, I think this is Cooper's last ditch effort attempt to save his bid. Sorry, but the Collinsville site completely relies on a completely new and extensive greenfield box store retail and housing development. That is not happening. As far as, AB Inbev. They get a tax break and no strings attached sponsorship. I don't see how that helps area soccer.
As far as sites, I really wish the owners of Bottlework site would come to play (plus they have money). Talk about a great empty (no demo required) site on the north side of downtown, next to Edward Jones (somehow a lot more people for a Rams game find parking), a new Mississippi River Bridge will be in place and within walking distance from Metrolink and Laclede's Landing.
The best part is the footrpint of soccer field is about the same size as a football stadium. You can replace the soccer stadium with a new Ram's open area stadium and possibly move to a new and better stadium in Collinsville. Heck, the city should give free rent at Edwards Dome in return for a take on commissions until a stadium can be put up.
And Portland passed the move to build a new stadium, so it looks like the next two teams will be Portland and Vancouver. I doubt we'll ever get one, especially considering how MLS seems to want $40 million for an expansion team to come into the league.
St. Louis subsidy, confident that it wouldn't happen. Just my wishful thinking on what I think is an ideal site. What I'm fearful of is that any proposals for MSL will be chump change when the Rams Lease of Edwards Jones expires in 2015 and we won't realize that until 2015 (after the region fails to land a MSL franchise). They are spending $30 million right now on Edward Jones. Wait when 2015 comes around. We will become a MLB & NHL town only.
This is one of the most frustrating developments I have ever watched. I legitimately thought a few years ago that we would be playing by now.
The Fenton site is not a site unless something else happens. There is no way that site can house a MLS team. The flooding, the parking, the additional fields ... just ain't happening unless something else changes. They need to purchase the adjacent industrial lots, move the high power transmission lines, reorient the roads, build in new levees, raise the ground, etc. -- And, I don't think they should be looking at the Chrysler plant at this time. Let's wait and see what happens with the economic recovery because something else may find that site valuable that has more economic benefit. You are looking at a 5 year deal just to get a site ready to build an MLS stadium there.
I also don't like the Bottle District site either for this project. I know it is sitting vacant right now, but long term there are much better uses for that site than a soccer stadium. I would not be against other spots north of the city such as some of the vacant lots along Cole, but TBD does not strike me as good fit for this because much of the year it is going to sit empty. Only if we have a Seattle type deal happen where a new stadium is built for soccer as well as football should that be considered.
And, all these sites in Missouri bring up the problem of Missouri - like it or not, Illinois is just a much friendlier place to build stuff like this right now because of the various financial reasons and much friendlier politicians.
The best option is still Collinsville for now. Until Portland and Vancouver are announced, everyone should still be rooting for the Collinsville proposal. The housing doesn't make as much sense in that proposal right now, but that's not to say it still doesn't make sense long term. The Metro-East is still a major growth area for the Saint Louis Metro long term.
The Collinsville stadium would still work just as it would have worked before. The real beauty is uniting the entire Saint Louis soccer scene into one concerted effort under an MLS banner and bringing the Soccer Park on board helps with that. All that's left is for MLS to wise up and stop screwing with Saint Louis (or Cooper should perhaps just screw this expansion nonsense and buy a team and move it here - most teams are still operating at a loss, so this shouldn't be too hard).
Of course the fact that most teams are still operating at a loss perhaps should concern us more. Maybe we are better off not getting a team anyway.
Whoops - sorry. This is true and when you figure, again, that the population center of the region is much nearer I-170/I-64, AND the affluent soccer-playing population is ever further west the Collinsville site doesn't make sense.
(very frustrated that this conversation is happening in two threads . . .)
Dredger wrote:We will become a MLB & NHL town only.
In a thread about how we are positioning for StL's 4th pro sports franchise, we cry defeatism. Sad how so many give up so easily.
Focus: Best use for the Fenton site is to promote the team as a brand & to build brand equity. Done by: practice facilities for the team, youth soccer camps with the StL United logo on every kid's t-shirt, exposure of the team to soccer fans who haven't made the drive over yet (and kids whose parents have yet take them to Collinsville), hosting major high school games (perhaps sponsoring a new tournament) and promotional squad games with the female pro soccer team that already plays there.
You know, off season stuff.
They'd never consider changing the entire dynamics of their bid by moving the stadium 30 miles within a month of nomination. If StL United gets the bid, the team will play in Collinsville.