I looked to see where this was referenced - and found it listed as being in the central west end:
lol I didn't even register that partSTLCityMike wrote: ↑Aug 25, 2025I looked to see where this was referenced - and found it listed as being in the central west end:
"Located at 8121 Maryland Ave in the vibrant Central West End, Zensia Coffee sits in a neighborhood alive with art, culture, and quiet charm. Just steps away from Forest Park, local galleries, and independent boutiques, our space is the perfect pause — whether you're starting your day or taking a mindful break.
Relax. Sip. Enjoy."
Yikes, that is rough looking.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 25, 2025The entire website is AI content and generative assets. Gross.
I’m not sure how good a view of the golf bays you get driving by. So it might be hard to tell how busy it really is. But I would think Tuesday is about the deadest night
I thought it was really weird it opens at 6 am during the week. But maybe they do golf lessons before work?jeff707 wrote: ↑Aug 27, 2025I work in the building, and a lot of people go in BEFORE work. Decent crowds at lunch, too. I think it would be in their interest to promote the bar area as sports-bar-esque, since there are not a ton of options in Clayton for that. Might help the evening draw.
Now open. STL mag did an article on it with some background. https://www.stlmag.com/dining/zensia-opens-in-clayton/jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2025New coffee place going in at 8121 Maryland Avenue.
Zensia specialty Colombian coffee.
https://www.zensiacoffee.com/
I’ll have to swing by this week.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2025Now open. STL mag did an article on it with some background. https://www.stlmag.com/dining/zensia-opens-in-clayton/jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2025New coffee place going in at 8121 Maryland Avenue.
Zensia specialty Colombian coffee.
https://www.zensiacoffee.com/
I know quite a few people who have already went and really liked it. I’m not a coffee drinker so no review from me.Jallen26 wrote: ↑Sep 06, 2025I’ll have to swing by this week.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2025Now open. STL mag did an article on it with some background. https://www.stlmag.com/dining/zensia-opens-in-clayton/jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2025New coffee place going in at 8121 Maryland Avenue.
Zensia specialty Colombian coffee.
https://www.zensiacoffee.com/
Centene C is nearly 100% occupied.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025I think we all know the space isn't what it's cracked up to be, and that's part of the problem. High rent, low traffic. If Centene had gone back to the office things might have been different, but they didn't, and by all appearances won't in the foreseeable future. And I don't think this has to be a Clayton vs. Downtown discussion. Clayton has plenty of potential and some good spots, that just isn't one of them. It's rather isolated and well away from the center of the action. If someone builds something on the three vacant parcels separating Centene from the Metrolink stop and the adjoining residential that might help; some apartments, say. Or something that actually draws nightlife. (If they'd built the theatre there that would have made the place a bit more of a winner, but I'm not sure I want to see competition for Midtown. In fact, I'm sure I don't.)
But it always turns into one for some reason. One of my bigger annoyances on here.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025And I don't think this has to be a Clayton vs. Downtown discussion.
It's because Clayton has been the biggest direct detriment to the city and downtown for decades. If you transfered Clayton to downtown, the city and region would be so much healthier words can't even describe it. But instead both struggle because seperated neither one has all the pillars of a true downtown.
Clayton doesn’t really hold a candle to downtown though. Downtown is much bigger and has most the major entertainment, which Clayton has none.Auggie wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025It's because Clayton has been the biggest direct detriment to the city and downtown for decades. If you transfered Clayton to downtown, the city and region would be so much healthier words can't even describe it. But instead both struggle because seperated neither one has all the pillars of a true downtown.
So it's funny to see the County's/suburbs' shining city on a hill struggle.
Obviously Clayton is not comparable to West County or DT Chesterfield or St. Charles. But it's still a leech that people believe false things about because of propaganda.
I think you're just taking it too seriously. Yes, Clayton struggling is bad. But Clayton also has been the single biggest detriment to downtown ever, far more than West County could ever imagine. So it's funny to see it lose 600 jobs and it's funny to see the "can do no wrong" "safe" "clean" Clayton not be able to maintain a high end restaurant in a nearly fully occupied building.jshank83 wrote: ↑Nov 28, 2025Clayton doesn’t really hold a candle to downtown though. Downtown is much bigger and has most the major entertainment, which Clayton has none.Auggie wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025It's because Clayton has been the biggest direct detriment to the city and downtown for decades. If you transfered Clayton to downtown, the city and region would be so much healthier words can't even describe it. But instead both struggle because seperated neither one has all the pillars of a true downtown.jshank83 wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025
But it always turns into one for some reason. One of my bigger annoyances on here.
So it's funny to see the County's/suburbs' shining city on a hill struggle.
Obviously Clayton is not comparable to West County or DT Chesterfield or St. Charles. But it's still a leech that people believe false things about because of propaganda.
My issue is I don’t know why they get compared when they aren’t really that comparable. Clayton is still an inner suburb so in my opinion if people want to throw stones it should be at the outside 270 areas. Clayton doing poorly is not a good thing for downtown, because that just means things are likely moving further from downtown. They both need to be able to do well to keep people/jobs from sprawling more than they already are.
Anytime something good happens in downtown or Clayton I am happy, anytime something bad happens in either I am not happy.
In the present world 100% occupied doesn't mean there are many people in an office building. Centene still has plenty of their own office space on that campus. I'm sure it counts as occupied, but per my wife it is pretty quiet. It's essentially underutilized coworking space and conference rooms. I'm sure some of the tenants use their offices more heavily, but I'd guess at least some of them use it similarly. If there are half as many people in there any given day as there were before Covid I'd be surprised. I'm curious if anyone has actual pedestrian numbers before and after. It certainly feels quite a bit quieter now.Auggie wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025Centene C is nearly 100% occupied.
I do agree that Downtown needs to be our focus but a healthy metropolitan area of almost 3M should support both Downtown and Clayton as well as a few other dense office areas.Auggie wrote: ↑Nov 27, 2025It's because Clayton has been the biggest direct detriment to the city and downtown for decades. If you transfered Clayton to downtown, the city and region would be so much healthier words can't even describe it. But instead both struggle because seperated neither one has all the pillars of a true downtown.
So it's funny to see the County's/suburbs' shining city on a hill struggle.
Obviously Clayton is not comparable to West County or DT Chesterfield or St. Charles. But it's still a leech that people believe false things about because of propaganda.
