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RuskiSTL wrote:Good urbanism, terrible architecture. Something in this location deserves much more creativity and style! A 20-25 story signature tower on the corner would be ideal, at least as "daring" as Park East. Clayton's high standard of architectural design is quickly slipping.

My thought is that a signature tower at this location would be less then ideal when you consider the market won't support multiple signature towers when you already got Centene's proposed residential tower with a short walk from Forsyth metrolink station & within Clayton CBD, West Pine high rise tower in CWE within a dense walkable neighborhood & 5-10 minute walk to metrolink & jobs, as well as BPV high residential tower downtown, close to metrolink station and is within in regions biggest jobs center. Get the other proposals out of the ground.

I think the revision to mid rise that fills out, wraps or hides the garage parking and infills the old parking lot is a pretty good fit for this intersection even with the goofy driveway as you transition from three corners of single residential to some denser residential towards Clayton's CBD.

I can say i like the rendering however this isn't a signature skyline changing development as some of you have stated

RuskiSTL wrote:Good urbanism, terrible architecture. Something in this location deserves much more creativity and style! A 20-25 story signature tower on the corner would be ideal, at least as "daring" as Park East. Clayton's high standard of architectural design is quickly slipping.

Clayton has a high standard of architectural design?? Is there a single building anywhere in Clayton that's daring, interesting, or "signature"? I'm not sure any location in Clayton "deserves... creativity and style." For decades now Clayton has followed a theme of bland, inoffensive, unremarkable architecture.

^Yep. I've always wondered how Clayton got a rep for "high standards of architectural design". I do think the initial, 1960s era of highrise construction was pretty solid (Pierre Laclede Center, 7777 Bonhomme, etc.), but the '80s and '90s were pretty awful, with boring, cheap, bottom-line designs ruling the day.

When Clayton approved the final design of The Barton last year, I lost all faith in their ability to demand a quality product from developers.

St.Louis1764 wrote:I can say i like the rendering however this isn't a signature skyline changing development as some of you have stated

I'm not sure anyone has stated as such for latest rendering or design. I think most of the opinion has been that this works but pretty much fits the mold for what happens these days.. Have to agree nothing too bad but also nothing outstanding about the latest proposal

The one argument I make is this is not the place for a high rise signature tower at the moment because I would like to see that happen with other proposals on key empty lots/locations near metrolink stations & within or part of business districts/job centers happen first.

On the docket tonight for Plan Commission and Architectural Review Board meeting.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... anned.html

This is dead

moorlander wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2017

This is dead

Where did you see/hear this?

kbshapiro wrote:

moorlander wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2017

This is dead

Where did you see/hear this?

At our Moorlands neighborhood association meeting one of my neighbors said she heard from the Mayor that it wasn't going to pass the county traffic study so the developer decided to walk away. Could be hearsay I suppose but it was from someone I believe to be a reliable source.

moorlander wrote:

kbshapiro wrote:

moorlander wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2017

This is dead

Where did you see/hear this?

At our Moorlands neighborhood association meeting one of my neighbors said she heard from the Mayor that it wasn't going to pass the county traffic study so the developer decided to walk away. Could be hearsay I suppose but it was from someone I believe to be a reliable source.

The last time I was in the area ( a few weeks ago) they were doing core samples. Would be shocked if this is true


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Chalupas54 wrote:

moorlander wrote:

kbshapiro wrote:
Where did you see/hear this?

At our Moorlands neighborhood association meeting one of my neighbors said she heard from the Mayor that it wasn't going to pass the county traffic study so the developer decided to walk away. Could be hearsay I suppose but it was from someone I believe to be a reliable source.

The last time I was in the area ( a few weeks ago) they were doing core samples. Would be shocked if this is true


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Just talked with the Clayton Economic Director. He would not confirm that the project is dead. I apologize, I may have jumped the gun.

moorlander wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2017

At our Moorlands neighborhood association meeting one of my neighbors said she heard from the Mayor that it wasn't going to pass the county traffic study so the developer decided to walk away. Could be hearsay I suppose but it was from someone I believe to be a reliable source.

Does anyone know if was a Level Of Service analysis? Is this often an issue in St. Louis?

kbshapiro wrote:

moorlander wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2017

This is dead

Where did you see/hear this?

I may have spoken too soon back in September but now the developer has officially walked away. Lipton claims to have received interest from multiple developers so maybe we’ll see something new proposed next year.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole site redeveloped as an extension of the Moorelands. Multiple mid-rise apartment buildings with underground parking, built by multiple developers, with York Drive extended through to Hanley.

framer wrote: ↑

Nov 16, 2017

Personally, I'd like to see the whole site redeveloped as an extension of the Moorelands. Multiple mid-rise apartment buildings with underground parking, built by multiple developers, with York Drive extended through to Hanley.

StLToday is saying a new developer is building a senior care center. Sounds like plans are pretty far along so this might actually happen.

I think this one will get done. Like the article says, senior living centers aren't high-traffic draws. The neighbors will probably be glad to get this built, thereby ending any future threat of higher-density proposals.

Happy this corner might finally get developed but it is too bad it won't be something more high profile than senior living.

Renderings and application just hit the City of Clayton website:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wgglbqlk86ga ... _Plans.pdf

15 stories on the west and 3-4 on the east end. Projected $95M price tag, with no abatement or incentive requests.

Still don't love it is Senior living but I like it matches the height of the building next to it and no incentives so I guess I won't complain too much.

OMG old people! Shadows! NIMBY's unite!

Article up on NextStl.com

https://nextstl.com/2018/03/senior-hous ... d-clayton/