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UrbanPioneer wrote:^ I figured they had to open by the All-Star Game... you'd be absolutely crazy not to. I look forward to their "urban dining experience."
1. This is a City project, which means building and health dept. permits. Don't hold your breath.
2. 40,000 people come downtown for baseball games more than 80 days a year. Plus this restaurant, like all others downtown, will rely much more highly on the 60,000 or whatever people who work downtown and the 10,000 or whatever who live downtown and people from the 'burbs travelling downtown than one flash-in-the-pan special event. This whole All-Star Game mystique is way overblown.
David Bonetti, Visual Arts Critic for the Post, had a couple of nice stories about Citygarden in today's paper:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entert ... enDocument
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entert ... enDocument
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entert ... enDocument
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entert ... enDocument
I read a comment on stltoday that makes me wonder (maybe it's been discussed?). Who is going to pay for the maintenance of the park, and who will actually do the maintenance? It says herethat MoBOT will provide the plant maintenance.
But who is going to do, say, the fountain maintenance/draining/daily cleaning, or if a pump breaks on the fountain, or someone puts graffiti on a wall, or a light fixture needs replacing? Or whatever? Was some of the $20M an endowment to pay for future needs? Or is it a liability for the city forestry division?
But who is going to do, say, the fountain maintenance/draining/daily cleaning, or if a pump breaks on the fountain, or someone puts graffiti on a wall, or a light fixture needs replacing? Or whatever? Was some of the $20M an endowment to pay for future needs? Or is it a liability for the city forestry division?
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bprop wrote:I read a comment on stltoday that makes me wonder (maybe it's been discussed?). Who is going to pay for the maintenance of the park, and who will actually do the maintenance? It says herethat MoBOT will provide the plant maintenance.
But who is going to do, say, the fountain maintenance/draining/daily cleaning, or if a pump breaks on the fountain, or someone puts graffiti on a wall, or a light fixture needs replacing? Or whatever? Was some of the $20M an endowment to pay for future needs? Or is it a liability for the city forestry division?
I'm curious if there will be any kind of security to keep bums off the benches during the day, and to prevent them from using it as a camp ground at night. And to keep drunk hoosiers from climbing on the sculptures after Cards games.
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^ I'm wondering if a tornado hits if everything won't be just be destroyed? I'm also wondering what happens if someone doesn't like a piece of art-will it be removed? I'm also wondering if anyone actually reads on this forum (OK, I'm not wondering that. I know the answer).
From the Downtown St. Louis Partnership/City Garden front frickin' page: "Gateway Foundation will pay more than $20 million for the design and construction of the garden, including state-of-the art lighting, ongoing maintenance, security, and insurance expenses."
From the Downtown St. Louis Partnership/City Garden front frickin' page: "Gateway Foundation will pay more than $20 million for the design and construction of the garden, including state-of-the art lighting, ongoing maintenance, security, and insurance expenses."
OK, so is that an endowment? Or is that maintenance costs for, say, a year? No need to get defensive. Just curious. There are a number of "plazas" and sculptures that were likely very nice at one time but have since fallen into disrepair because there was no long-term source of funding.
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Grover wrote:^ I'm wondering if a tornado hits if everything won't be just be destroyed?
I suspect trees might be uprooted, but a lot of those sculptures won't even budge.
Grover wrote:I'm also wondering what happens if someone doesn't like a piece of art-will it be removed?
No.
Grover wrote:I'm also wondering if anyone actually reads on this forum (OK, I'm not wondering that. I know the answer).
Lot's of people apparently.
Citygarden has gotten some press from the New York Times.
New York Times: Arts Gets Its Space In The Midwest
The downtown sculpture garden looks good too. Check out pictures of its opening.
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New York Times: Arts Gets Its Space In The Midwest
The downtown sculpture garden looks good too. Check out pictures of its opening.
I haven't gone over to see the garden yet, but from the pictures it looks awesome. Not as good as a building there, obviously, but still very impressive.
On the vandalism note, places like this and a recent trip there make me realize Singapore does some things right, however brutal they might be. If you're caught vandalizing in Singapore, they cane you. On your rear. With a brine soaked rattan cane. I think that makes people think twice about destroying beautiful things.
On the vandalism note, places like this and a recent trip there make me realize Singapore does some things right, however brutal they might be. If you're caught vandalizing in Singapore, they cane you. On your rear. With a brine soaked rattan cane. I think that makes people think twice about destroying beautiful things.
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I really hope they can keep the bums out. I wonder how long it will take to see it's first spray painting incident. It's bound to happen.
I'm going to the game on Wednesday and have to work early Thursday but I wouldn't be surprised to find myself down there Thursday night.
I'm going to the game on Wednesday and have to work early Thursday but I wouldn't be surprised to find myself down there Thursday night.
Fox2 just said it is now officially open?? The security guard told me on Sunday it was opening Wednesday?
A "bum" is a derogatory term for a homeless individual. Why must some people treat others in a cruel manner? Would you treat African Americans, Italians and Jews the same way?JuiceInDogtown wrote:I really hope they can keep the bums out. I wonder how long it will take to see it's first spray painting incident. It's bound to happen.
And don't forget about the security cameras...
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Spectacular slide show you posted Arch. This place is really something to be proud of.
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Missed train this morning so I had 20 minutes to kill and stumbled over to Citygarden. Security guard axed me to leave because it wasn't quite open but some folks called me over and gave me a pamphlet and axed me to take a look around.
It is absolutley first-class and very, very cool. This is a winner.
It is absolutley first-class and very, very cool. This is a winner.
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innov8ion wrote:A "bum" is a derogatory term for a homeless individual.JuiceInDogtown wrote:I really hope they can keep the bums out. I wonder how long it will take to see it's first spray painting incident. It's bound to happen.
I hope that was a joke. If it wasn't, my answer is "I don't give a sh*t."
Is it really your nature to be as annoying as you are on these boards, or do you force it a little to be funny?
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Just got back from City Garden - it is amazing! It was full of people oohing and aahing. Lots of folks enjoying lunch there - there are so many seating areas. The landscaping is absolutely beautiful as well. What a perfectly designed space - I love it!
There is a nice crosswalk that links the two blocks. I'd like to see one installed to connect the block with Twain. Twain's block looks especially "blah" when compared to the City Garden blocks - it would benefit from some new plantings, walkways, etc. The nice thing is that I noticed several (non-homeless) people walking through Twain, which is something I don't think I've ever seen before!
There is a nice crosswalk that links the two blocks. I'd like to see one installed to connect the block with Twain. Twain's block looks especially "blah" when compared to the City Garden blocks - it would benefit from some new plantings, walkways, etc. The nice thing is that I noticed several (non-homeless) people walking through Twain, which is something I don't think I've ever seen before!
A bum is a derogatory term for a homeless person. How would you feel if you were an African American and someone called you the N-word? Would the one calling that person out be considered an annoyance or just doing what's right to stand up for the victim?JuiceInDogtown wrote:innov8ion wrote:A "bum" is a derogatory term for a homeless individual.JuiceInDogtown wrote:I really hope they can keep the bums out. I wonder how long it will take to see it's first spray painting incident. It's bound to happen.
I hope that was a joke. If it wasn't, my answer is "I don't give a sh*t."
Is it really your nature to be as annoying as you are on these boards, or do you force it a little to be funny?
Living in an urban environment means living in proximity to a diverse array of people. It sure makes life easier if we can learn to treat each other with some semblance of respect. I understand you may not give a sh*t, but perhaps you can take it with a grain of salt.
And I don't care what you say about me. You're still my Facebook friend, Juice.
On a more topical note, here's what people have to say about the City Garden (mostly) on Twitter: http://www.twazzup.com/search?q=citygarden&l=all
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innov8ion wrote:A bum is a derogatory term for a homeless person.JuiceInDogtown wrote:innov8ion wrote: A "bum" is a derogatory term for a homeless individual.
I hope that was a joke. If it wasn't, my answer is "I don't give a sh*t."
Is it really your nature to be as annoying as you are on these boards, or do you force it a little to be funny?
A non-homeless person can also be a bum.
bum 1 (bm)
n.
1. A tramp; a vagrant.
2. A lazy or shiftless person, especially one who seeks to live solely by the support of others.
3. An incompetent, insignificant, or obnoxious person: The batter called the pitcher a bum.
4. One who is devoted to a particular activity or milieu: a beach bum.
v. bummed, bum·ming, bums
v.intr.
1. To live by begging and scavenging from place to place. Often used with around.
2. To loaf.
v.tr.
1. To acquire by begging; cadge. See Synonyms at cadge.
2. Slang To depress, dishearten, or dismay. Often used with out.
adj.
1. Inferior; worthless: gave me bum advice; did a bum job of fixing the car.
2. Disabled; malfunctioning: a bum shoulder.
3. Unfavorable or unfair: got a bum deal on my final grade for the course.
4. Unpleasant; lousy: had a bum time at the party.
Idiom:
on the bum
1. Living as a vagrant or tramp.
2. Out of order; broken.
I am reading a book called "Doing Nothing" and I am on the section about bums. It's right after the section on tramps. It's quite the read.
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Jeff707 wrote:I am reading a book called "Doing Nothing" and I am on the section about bums. It's right after the section on tramps. It's quite the read.
What about gypsies and theives?
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jeff707 wrote:I am reading a book called "Doing Nothing" and I am on the section about bums. It's right after the section on tramps. It's quite the read.
What about gypsies and theives?
Tell me when you get to the section about my idiot brother-in-law.
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I can't believe someone wrote a book called "Doing Nothing" and didn't consult me first.