Let me start and just say that I've known a few former NFL players. One of them was very candid with me when I asked them about the superstars. He basically said "everybody is good in the NFL, but they make those guys great". My understanding from that was that there is no doubt that the NFL has some world class athletes, they do take the hits, they do make the catches, and there are injuries, but the same can be said of pro wrestling. It just seems to me that we have reserved to the fact that the WWE is fake, but for some reasons people want to believe that the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. doesn't also have storylines and people taking the flop for big payouts.gone corporate wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2022symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2022StanKTank
Regarding whether the fix is in on the NFL, you're absolutely right that it would be the biggest scandal ever. Consider that this last Super Bowl was making headlines for how much online casino gambling was taking place with it. Such a scandal could take down sports gambling, which is a huge industry - just ask Las Vegas, or Draft Kings, or the Mafia.
While I'm absolutely not sure if it is or not, there is this from former STL Rams RB Benny Cunningham (2013-16):
The Sports Rush: Benny Cunningham says NFL is Scripted, EX-NFL Player Benny Cunningham Admits League Is Scripted
Note: I'm not saying Benny Cunningham is a great reference source, but it'd sure be interesting to hear what's up with League NDAs.The NFL is scripted but they make us sign something so we can't go into detail...
A lot of stadiums came online in the late 90s and it looks like replacement time.
Now Nashville is looking to replace Nissan Stadium since renovations would cost too much.
https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2 ... ew-stadium
Now Nashville is looking to replace Nissan Stadium since renovations would cost too much.
https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2 ... ew-stadium
Any rumblings out there on what is happening with settlement monies? I believe they are paid and sitting in an escrow fund ready to spend. I wonder if the Lawyers got their cut already and or the hold up is a negotiation on their final cut considering lawsuit went from why not try to an almost a billion dollar settlement? I doubt parties want any wrangling out in the open so discreetly working through it.
Yes, I understand that their was an agreement, and yes the lawyers were suppose to get x percentage. But reality is if you were being represented on a claim and a settlement went from $1 million to tens of millions you might very well might argue with your representation on what is fair.
Yes, I understand that their was an agreement, and yes the lawyers were suppose to get x percentage. But reality is if you were being represented on a claim and a settlement went from $1 million to tens of millions you might very well might argue with your representation on what is fair.
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^ lawyers cut got deposited into the lawyers accounts and that’s done and over with
Right now there is a high level proposal on the table that’s in the ballpark of $150m for county, $150m to City and rest to Dome operator
Right now there is a high level proposal on the table that’s in the ballpark of $150m for county, $150m to City and rest to Dome operator
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So approximately $200MM for the dome authority. Wow. I hope they use those monies to make a decisive move on the Dome.
^^ Thanks for the info dblnSouthCity. A $150, $150 and $200 million to dome operator makes some sense.
I guess the million dollar question is what RSA would do with $200 million as I believe bonds are paid off. Which leave some options but would have to be related to the dome as I believe RSA by statute (from what I get on google searches) was specifically or created to acquire the land, build and manage the Dome. So the three options that seem plausible to me is RSA plows the money back into dome upgrades, or maybe set aside the funds for future demo of dome and outright replacement, and third option to use the funds to demo & hand/maybe sell property back to convention center on a path to dissolve RSA or make it a pointless organization but with a left over piggy bank that will be decided. Any Thoughts?
Beyond those options would probably require updated law to expand RSA ownership, regional holdings and or dissolve it outright. Might be a big ask of statehouse, but say some of the settlement monies goes towards new UMSL track & field complex and a new Rugby stadium or even a statutory law that would allow RSA to give grants to regional sport facilities within the county, city. Say grants totaling up to $50 million - could spread among new track & field facility, new Rugby stadium, upgrades to velodome and Forest Park tennis center. Of course the danger in any change to the statutes might make easy for state to dissolve RSA and any remaining funds go back to general account.
I guess the million dollar question is what RSA would do with $200 million as I believe bonds are paid off. Which leave some options but would have to be related to the dome as I believe RSA by statute (from what I get on google searches) was specifically or created to acquire the land, build and manage the Dome. So the three options that seem plausible to me is RSA plows the money back into dome upgrades, or maybe set aside the funds for future demo of dome and outright replacement, and third option to use the funds to demo & hand/maybe sell property back to convention center on a path to dissolve RSA or make it a pointless organization but with a left over piggy bank that will be decided. Any Thoughts?
Beyond those options would probably require updated law to expand RSA ownership, regional holdings and or dissolve it outright. Might be a big ask of statehouse, but say some of the settlement monies goes towards new UMSL track & field complex and a new Rugby stadium or even a statutory law that would allow RSA to give grants to regional sport facilities within the county, city. Say grants totaling up to $50 million - could spread among new track & field facility, new Rugby stadium, upgrades to velodome and Forest Park tennis center. Of course the danger in any change to the statutes might make easy for state to dissolve RSA and any remaining funds go back to general account.
Your math is slightly off... the split would be $150/$150/$213.5, assuming that the attorneys got 35% of the settlement ($276.5M) as widely reported.dredger wrote: ↑Feb 18, 2022^^ Thanks for the info dblnSouthCity. A $150, $150 and $200 million to dome operator makes some sense.
BizJournal article. Not sure much more to it other then the headline and the extra $900k payout for expenses on top of the $275 milllion cut of the settlement.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 3#cxrecs_s
St. Louis' lawyers in the Rams litigation were entitled to expense reimbursement, in addition to 35% of any winnings. And they've collected, a document shows.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 3#cxrecs_s
St. Louis' lawyers in the Rams litigation were entitled to expense reimbursement, in addition to 35% of any winnings. And they've collected, a document shows.
^ Just say no but that is for the locals to decide.
Living in the Bay Area and seeing the stark differences between regions on public funded stadiums is intriguing. San Diego said no to Chargers, Oakland said no to Raiders and somewhat no to A's (cheap lease on land, development rights and help with infrastructure if Howard Terminal happens). At same time the rich guys still managed to build stadiums and arenas for Rams, 49ers, Warriors and might do the same for A's in one of the most costly places to build stuff. At same time, Vegas/state of Nevada going all in for pro teams and Buffalo will do the same because upstate politicians will not want to give up the Bills to Toronto or London or for the sunshine.
I will add that the a big plus for teams out West including Las Vegas is the development/real estate opportunity. SF Giants been building out their developments last couple of years, same will happen around Warriors Chase stadium, Rams stadium is part of huge development around it and A's proposal has a huge development component around it. Vegas/Nevada have the Strip to support its all in public dollars. Can't say Buffalo Bill owners will have nearly the opportunity. In some respects, wouldn't have been any different if Rams stayed in St. Louis w new north riverfront stadium.
Living in the Bay Area and seeing the stark differences between regions on public funded stadiums is intriguing. San Diego said no to Chargers, Oakland said no to Raiders and somewhat no to A's (cheap lease on land, development rights and help with infrastructure if Howard Terminal happens). At same time the rich guys still managed to build stadiums and arenas for Rams, 49ers, Warriors and might do the same for A's in one of the most costly places to build stuff. At same time, Vegas/state of Nevada going all in for pro teams and Buffalo will do the same because upstate politicians will not want to give up the Bills to Toronto or London or for the sunshine.
I will add that the a big plus for teams out West including Las Vegas is the development/real estate opportunity. SF Giants been building out their developments last couple of years, same will happen around Warriors Chase stadium, Rams stadium is part of huge development around it and A's proposal has a huge development component around it. Vegas/Nevada have the Strip to support its all in public dollars. Can't say Buffalo Bill owners will have nearly the opportunity. In some respects, wouldn't have been any different if Rams stayed in St. Louis w new north riverfront stadium.
Joe Pompliano, following Betteridge's Law of Headlines to a tee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridg ... _headlines
The problem is Maryland also has to consider what happens when the Ravens and Orioles want their cheddar.
So the final payout to Blitz et al was $277.4M, which would leave $512.6M left for the three plaintiff parties... $150M each to the city and county, and the remaining $212.6M to STLRSA.dredger wrote: ↑Mar 17, 2022BizJournal article. Not sure much more to it other then the headline and the extra $900k payout for expenses on top of the $275 milllion cut of the settlement.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 3#cxrecs_s
St. Louis' lawyers in the Rams litigation were entitled to expense reimbursement, in addition to 35% of any winnings. And they've collected, a document shows.
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Bills getting $850m tax payers cash for a no frills new stadium in suburban Buffalo. The largest public subsidy for a stadium in US history according to Daniel Kaplan Athletic's business reporter.
Pretty sh*t deal that won't result in any spin off development I doubt. Also makes me glad our sports venues are where they are.
Pretty sh*t deal that won't result in any spin off development I doubt. Also makes me glad our sports venues are where they are.
Things don't seem to be going well in Carolina. Maybe we can steal the Panthers? /jk
^ Let a Texas town steal them, Austin or San Antonio.
My two cents what would be good for STL, get the XFL Battlehawks back into the Dome with some minor improvements in near term (come up with a long term plan if they are successful to replace the dome for phase II convention rebuild) and go all a plan now for expanded Entreprise Center off court facilities - expanded locker, trainer, back office, for a play on a NBA team to compliment Blues schedule. As per few comments over on the Blues thread you got a couple class act for pro teams already, got a local family committed to do the same for an upcoming third pro team. At this point a NBA franchise seems like it would be a much better fit.
My two cents what would be good for STL, get the XFL Battlehawks back into the Dome with some minor improvements in near term (come up with a long term plan if they are successful to replace the dome for phase II convention rebuild) and go all a plan now for expanded Entreprise Center off court facilities - expanded locker, trainer, back office, for a play on a NBA team to compliment Blues schedule. As per few comments over on the Blues thread you got a couple class act for pro teams already, got a local family committed to do the same for an upcoming third pro team. At this point a NBA franchise seems like it would be a much better fit.
I was joking. That's what the /jk was for.dredger wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2022^ Let a Texas town steal them, Austin or San Antonio.
My two cents what would be good for STL, get the XFL Battlehawks back into the Dome with some minor improvements in near term (come up with a long term plan if they are successful to replace the dome for phase II convention rebuild) and go all a plan now for expanded Entreprise Center off court facilities - expanded locker, trainer, back office, for a play on a NBA team to compliment Blues schedule. As per few comments over on the Blues thread you got a couple class act for pro teams already, got a local family committed to do the same for an upcoming third pro team. At this point a NBA franchise seems like it would be a much better fit.
I can't wait for the first NFL team that uses St. Louis as a threat move, we resoundingly say "No" and they're left scrambling to pay (as they should) for their stadium upgrades/new stadium.
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^Should a team want to relocate to STL, I'd welcome them with open arms. That is, unless they are seeking a contribution in the hundreds of millions of dollars or more to pay for their relocation, in which case the region loudly proclaims in one voice that they can eat it, and that they can thank the StanK for their mess.
I'm all in favor of seeking out an NBA franchise should any opportunity present itself. After all this, I'd love to have MLB, NHL, MLS, and NBA while having XFL over NFL.
I'm all in favor of seeking out an NBA franchise should any opportunity present itself. After all this, I'd love to have MLB, NHL, MLS, and NBA while having XFL over NFL.
^ I think the 100s of millions of handouts would be expected for any NFL relocation to St. Louis. The reality is that the region doesn't have the growth and or the land values for a real estate play to pay for a private stadium. St Louis doesn't even have to competing states in MD and VA trying to outbid each other for the Generals. Instead, St. Louis is more like Buffalo than LA when it would come to NFL.
Does everyone think Panthers are just playing hardball? I can's see NFL wanting to give up North Carolina and the growing southeast. Obviously NY is going to keep Bills in Buffalo as comprise for all the state dollars that flow back into New York City (even though rightly so as the City supports most of the state). To me, the wild card is Jaguars in a few years. The owner not on top of the billionaire's club and has an IL connection. I believe he also made a play for Rams ownership before Stan K exercised his option to buy the team outright. So one of my 2025/2026 hail mary predictions - New East St Louis waterfront street stadium near Eads Bridge/rebuilt Casino - or next to the Raceway just in time when the Dome comes down for Convention phase II expansion.
Does everyone think Panthers are just playing hardball? I can's see NFL wanting to give up North Carolina and the growing southeast. Obviously NY is going to keep Bills in Buffalo as comprise for all the state dollars that flow back into New York City (even though rightly so as the City supports most of the state). To me, the wild card is Jaguars in a few years. The owner not on top of the billionaire's club and has an IL connection. I believe he also made a play for Rams ownership before Stan K exercised his option to buy the team outright. So one of my 2025/2026 hail mary predictions - New East St Louis waterfront street stadium near Eads Bridge/rebuilt Casino - or next to the Raceway just in time when the Dome comes down for Convention phase II expansion.
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Idk, the NFL belongs in a floodplain Maryland Heights or Hazelwoo
If the area ever has need of one, I would love to see a stadium on the Illinois side with views overlooking downtowndredger wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2022^ I think the 100s of millions of handouts would be expected for any NFL relocation to St. Louis. The reality is that the region doesn't have the growth and or the land values for a real estate play to pay for a private stadium. St Louis doesn't even have to competing states in MD and VA trying to outbid each other for the Generals. Instead, St. Louis is more like Buffalo than LA when it would come to NFL.
Does everyone think Panthers are just playing hardball? I can's see NFL wanting to give up North Carolina and the growing southeast. Obviously NY is going to keep Bills in Buffalo as comprise for all the state dollars that flow back into New York City (even though rightly so as the City supports most of the state). To me, the wild card is Jaguars in a few years. The owner not on top of the billionaire's club and has an IL connection. I believe he also made a play for Rams ownership before Stan K exercised his option to buy the team outright. So one of my 2025/2026 hail mary predictions - New East St Louis waterfront street stadium near Eads Bridge/rebuilt Casino - or next to the Raceway just in time when the Dome comes down for Convention phase II expansion.
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Fwiw, the Panters are just playing hardball, hoping to get some more tax dollars for the project. The team's owner’s LLC, GT Real Estate Holdings, invested more than $170 million already into the project, so they're already on the hook. I highly doubt GTRE will just walk away completely having spent $170M.
In all honesty, I think the region has a better shot at attracting an expansion or relocated NBA over the NFL. Given the drama and payout that StanK gave to the region and the bitter feelings/burned bridges we've set here regarding the NFL, we could convert that energy to playing for a possible NBA expansion team or a serious relocation threat. I've mentioned this previously in the "NBA in STL" thread, but to me, the NBA is the prime example of a pro sports league with global market appeal which I think this region definitely needs. I would also welcome the NFL with open arms should that wistful dream turn into some sort of reality but it would have to be under the right conditions - privately funded stadium, ownership with strong STL/regional ties to prevent future movement, commitment to surrounding developments wherever the stadium is located, XFL/NFL sharing the same space, etc.
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East St. Louis is absolutely in a flood plain. And Madison, Granite, Sauget, and Cahokia. Everything out to Collinsville and Glen Carbon. They even raised East St. Louis up about six feet in . . . the twenties, I think? It was a huge local campaign. There's a little bit about it on the Channel Nine documentary. (Well worth a watch.)JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2022Idk, the NFL belongs in a floodplain Maryland Heights or Hazelwoo