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dweebe wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote:Disturbing quote from Lewis Reed

Reed said aldermen may be “hard-pressed to build a stadium and commit the amount of resources that would be required to build the stadium” if the Rams were definitely bolting.

how does he NOT know that there is no stadium being built without the Rams committing their share & signing a 30 year lease.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Peacock and Company need to have lunch with Reed ASAP.

It's not just Reed. Ward 27-Chris Carter said:

“I believe that we are waiting on a vote from the other owners to see what’s going to happen with the Rams and our fate here in our city,” Carter said. “And I just don’t think it’s going to pan out the way that we are hoping. We shouldn’t waste money on an owner who doesn’t want his team here.”

I don't understand how this proposal was announced nearly ten months ago, and our elected representatives still don't understand that the stadium can't be built unless the NFL commits to St. Louis.

We have a bunch of dumb ***** who make policy in our city. This is emblematic of why the city is what it is. Absolute dumb muther ***** who are Aldermen and Alderwomen.

It's disgusting how ***** stupid they are.

Yes, I'm pissed.

^ No truer words have ever be written.

How many times has Peacock said, "NO STADIUM WILL BE BUILT UNLESS WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM AN NFL TEAM."

And people wonder why we are trending towards Des Moines.

so feeling this....

While they do have to be a little dense or not paying attention to not to understand that, I will say this...

Nobody has put a proposal in front of them yet. And until they do, Peacock's plan means very little. If he wants to win their support, he needs to show them what he's actually asking for and detail what the contingencies are.

It's crazy to me that this has already happened. Scott Ogilvie seems to be under the impression it may happen by Friday finally.

ajwillikers wrote:

dweebe wrote:

KansasCitian wrote:I will hate it if the league decides to create expansion franchises.

Keep the league at 32 teams. It works.

The NFL won't be worth following in 50 years when they've got 50 teams, with 15 overseas.

Says the guy from the city that's not losing their NFL team.

So...the NFL will have a Champions League and an Undercard?

If the Rams leave St. Louis forever, and we're sitting here with a big empty stadium with a lid, how long before someone suggests that the Chiefs should play one game per year in St. Louis -- such as one of those cold December games? Then 2 games. Then 5.

^That is a great history of the debacle that is NFL Football in STL. It is depressing and angers me, that our fractured government and warring factions, ruined our chances to keep the Big Red or get the expansion Stallions. If we had one of those franchises, we would not be dealing with this mess with the Rams, either LA or Baltimore would have that franchise. Since City & County officials were not on the same page, there was nobody to mediate the situation between the rich and egotistical men bickering and ruining the NFL in STL forever. Yes, the Rams eventually worked out and came, but now look where we are. The Rams extorted STL, getting all of the revenues and that awful sweetheart lease, with the dreadful Top Tier Provision, that haunts us today. While that article is fascinating, it is also angers me. To this day, the fractured government from 30 years ago, continues to hold us back as a region.

Great article. Thanks for posting!

How much different would things be if Kroenke had just gotten the expansion team or the Patriots rather than just being a part of the Rams move and lucking into the sweetheart lease? Fun/sad/weird to think about.

We have the opportunity to give this story a long-term happy ending. Let's get it done.

I do still sincerely wonder if this is a good investment. Not for any of the reasons typically talked about, but as far as whether football is a wise long-term investment.

Maplewood-Richmond Heights is receiving national publicity for their decision to cut football. They cut it both due to a lack of interest and a lack of safety (which may be spurring the lack of interest).

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/sport ... tball.html

I think it's a wise decision. The long-term impacts (let alone the short-term risks) of playing football in no way jive with the mission of an educational institution. And kids under 18 certainly don't have the maturity to be making a decision about whether it is a worthy sacrifice.

This isn't exactly a trend yet, but it could become one. It certainly should become one. And if kids stop playing football, the sport is going to take a popularity hit. This stadium is a 30 year investment being sold to us as something that should actually last a lot longer.

But is that a wise investment? I know the NFL seems untouchable now, but I have very, very serious doubts about its future.

Player safety related tech advances will keep getting better...there is really nothing that will stop the NFL for the next 20-30 years.
NFL teams can afford it, BIG 5 NCAA conference teams can afford it...Maplewood HS cannot afford to outfit its team with the latest and greatest equipment in player safety.

I saw the NBC report last night about The MWRH Football program. Since I'm not at the HS, I am not 100% convinced that they cancelled this years program due to lack of interest from students, due to their fear of injury. It could be that the school does not have enough kids that have a general interest in football or for many other reasons. I'd have to see a survey from every student, then make a determination. They are not shutting down the program either. They are shuttering it for this year, until they get more interest. I've only heard of that program having one or two good years that I can recall. Not exactly a powerhouse. If that happened to say, Webster, now your talking. MWRH, not nearly the big name program. There are still a ton of programs in the metro area. That is only one.

Regarding the future of the NFL, I think most of those guys will take the risk, for the reward. I think they do today. If your a guy that comes from nothing and can be a millionaire, your going to jump at that chance. While rule changes may occur and more lawsuits, the NFL prints money, especially now that fantasy is so big. I don't see this juggernaut slowing down any time soon, if ever.

In the realm of American entertainment, the NFL is king. And its reign just keeps getting stronger and stronger. Now that daily/weekly fantasy sports are taking off (DraftKings, FanDuel, etc.), it's just going to get even more popular than ever.

Let's all live in a city that has representation in the NFL.

#BuildIt

dbInSouthCity wrote:Player safety related tech advances will keep getting better...there is really nothing that will stop the NFL for the next 20-30 years.
NFL teams can afford it, BIG 5 NCAA conference teams can afford it...Maplewood HS cannot afford to outfit its team with the latest and greatest equipment in player safety.

Eh. I don't think there's any technology that is going to solve this crisis. They can either adapt their game or the players will keep dying (slowly mostly, but dying nonetheless).

Yeah, let's punt on the NFL and keep that North Riverfront looking beautiful.

sirshankalot wrote:Yeah, let's punt on the NFL and keep that North Riverfront looking beautiful.

If you're responding to me that's a pretty awful response.

Dumoff speaks:

He doesn't say much, as usual. Kind of funny that the other owners are there, but no Stan, just his COO. I would love to know how many NFL markets can obtain this 'growth' they are looking to reach. I would think STL is in the same boat as many NFL cities. I would say that STL has significant ability to grow, since Stan and the previous ownership have done such putrid of drafting, hiring coaches and on-field product. You win and compete like the Cards and Blues and I believe this fanbase grows significantly, especially in a new stadium. The 'are they going to be here for the long haul' complex goes away as well.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... 1443646112

No doubt... We are not LA, NYC, Chicago or Dallas, but then again, half the NFL is not.
I think those projections can change over time. If the economy picks up, MO becomes right to work, Cortex blows up and other things happen, our future could look brighter. There is no way to predict that kind of stuff. Yes, today we are stagnant, but that could change. That stuff is cyclical. That label may be fair today, but could be subject to change. Some great things are happening, that could change our fate. City-County division is discussed and in the news regularly. I think Ferguson showed us how fractured as a region we are. Hell, back in the 80's that fractured government rift between the City mayor and County Exec. probably costs us the Big Red. They would have been deeply embedded here, rooted in history like the Blues and run by a lifetime STLer Mike Bidwell. ( assuming he would have never left)
Not to mention, under his leadership, they are very successful and competitive.