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Regarding the STLtoday forum comment.
Shane Gray mentions in his recent article, that the rumors of Stan selling the Rams are false, so who knows. I think there are so many conflicting reports, that it is hard to know what is really going on. I think when it all comes out, it will come out in one of two ways. It is either going to be exactly as we thought (either Stan stays or goes to LA) or it will be a crazy story like he is selling, buying the Broncos, selling the Rams to AEG or Peacock's group. I just want him to stay, but the shocking/surprising story would be more fun. It would be great to get the Rams in the hands of an owner we know has ties to STL and will keep the team here. I'd like it to be a Blues - type group with way more money. I want a visible owner, that loves the city, not his fat wallet alone.

I like the south riverfront location more than the north riverfront location. Perhaps it could push forward a south broadway streetcar line?

Man, those Kroenke/Denver rumors are a doozy.

Either there's something real there or that's some of the most well crafted trolling I've ever seen.

Kroenke owning the Broncos makes perfect sense since he owns nuggets aves the mls team there and he has is own outdoor network too. I wonder what his reasonings for owning the Rams are? Is to make the team stays in St.Louis? Does he feel by staying hushed about everything that a deal will get worked out quicker than rather later? If Stan does put the team up for sale which will likely be when the Broncos become available then i could see Kahn in and several local investors or companies come within play.

Kroenke probably has saved the Rams from leaving who knows but thats just my theory.

I honestly think all this Rams to LA is bogus the Rams are St.Louis's team and i know they are here to stay. This is a young team that has the potential to be either a Broncos like team or Patriot like team. Besides Goodell has said many times he wants the Rams to stay in St.Louis. Oakland not even near in getting what they want our of Oakland and the owner there clearly stated he's not interested in a year to year lease so Oakland will likely be moving but it won't be to San Antonio.

TheNewSaintLouis wrote:Kroenke owning the Broncos makes perfect sense since he owns nuggets aves the mls team there and he has is own outdoor network too. I wonder what his reasonings for owning the Rams are? Is to make the team stays in St.Louis? Does he feel by staying hushed about everything that a deal will get worked out quicker than rather later? If Stan does put the team up for sale which will likely be when the Broncos become available then i could see Kahn in and several local investors or companies come within play.

Kroenke probably has saved the Rams from leaving who knows but thats just my theory.

I honestly think all this Rams to LA is bogus the Rams are St.Louis's team and i know they are here to stay. This is a young team that has the potential to be either a Broncos like team or Patriot like team. Besides Goodell has said many times he wants the Rams to stay in St.Louis. Oakland not even near in getting what they want our of Oakland and the owner there clearly stated he's not interested in a year to year lease so Oakland will likely be moving but it won't be to San Antonio.

Someone with a firmer grasp of professional sports ownership regulations can speak to this better, but my understanding is that an owner of a professional football team is not allowed to own another professional sports team. For that reason, you saw Kroenke "turn over" his Denver stake to his son and relieve (or will have relieved) his majority stake in each.

Your confidence is higher than mine. LA is a top-tier market, STL is (maaaybe) middle-tier. The league wants a team or two in LA, STL has some ogf the crappiest attendance numbers and fan-support in the NFL. Voters won't approve a large public subsidy (over, say $150M) and, personally, I don't want them to approve it at all. If we don't and the Rams leave, so be it -- I've seen nothing out of Kroenke's tenure that makes me think a new stadium is all that separates them from a successful, popular NFL franchise. If he's committed to the region, then he'll finance independently to make it happen.

I can't help bu to wonder what the situation would be now if, back in 2010 (?), Kroenke didn't exercise his first-right-of-refusal option and Shahid Khan would have got the team he desperately wanted.

NFL owner cannot own sports teams (MLB, NHL, NBA) in a different city from the one his/her NFL team is located...so Stan can own all Denver teams...he cannot own Denver teams and the Rams and he has until Jan 2016 now to get rid of the Denver teams or Rams...he had a 4 years from 2010 but that expired and NFL granted him another 12 months. giving control to his son doesnt cut it, that was just temporary


Also the new stadium here will probably not have any public vote for funding (funding source- car rental tax and hotel tax that is paying for the Dome now, can be extended without a vote, or atleast thats what some are saying)

and my guess it will be $800m-$1b with 60%-65% taxpayer

back to your point of Top Tier market- if this was major league baseball where teams have their own TV deals the team would be gone 4 years ago. NFL shares ALMOST ALL of its revenue evenly. so there isnt really THAT much of an advantage of having a team here or LA or NYC- sure there is some but is it worth for Stan to spend $2B billion on relocation fee+ new stadium.....sports is not Stans biggest money maker- does he want to plunge nearly 40% of his worth into a business can makes him $50-100M a year? and by the time he recovers the $2B, he will be 90 years old. Sure his team value may go up but whats does that mean to a guy who doesnt sell...nothing, its money on paper only.

^ One clarification. I believe that giving ownership to his son probably would cut it, but at this point it seems he's only done that loosely. Thus the extension.

I believe the last comment Stan made about this was in 2010 when he became the majority owner was " I will not lead the charge out of St.Louis"


also another note; Stan owns 70% of the Rams, Georgia's kids still have 15% each and the daughter is the President of the Rams Community Outreach

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... d_headline

Anyone know how this project would mesh with a new Rams stadium in that area? If Great Rivers Greenway has plans for the land, how can the Peacock Commission have stadium plans for the site. I am not sure how big a plot of land there is between Lumiere and the Stan Span, but the questions remains. Is there enough land for a state of the art facility for the Rams and all of this planned by Great Rivers??

Thanks for the info! That is good news. The entire area could be connected to Downtown and the Arch grounds.

Glazer thinks Rams will be move to LA...

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/glaz ... ers-120714

He is hearing this from " league circles" that the Rams are moving to LA.

^ I'll believe it when I see it. Los Angeles still hasn't approved or built a stadium yet.

^ I don't know that the Rams have to build one now. Stan has land and is apparently trying to get more from the Hollywood Park Racetrack owner. There are several venues that have said they would temporarily house an NFL team... The Rose Bowl, The Coliseum... etc... Unfortunately, STL seems to be the 'temporary home' for the Rams, while they figure out their relocation prospects.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... is-not-two

^ thats nothing new, just Glazer late to the party....there is a lot of talk of NFL wants Mark Davis out as the Raiders owner, if they accomplish that, it would pave the way for the Raiders to move to LA.....San Diego paper had a story about this week possibly being the last home game for the Chargers.... so who knows, i just want this to be over with.

Yeah Glazer did nothing but repeat everything that's already been said. No new information in his article.

^ ^^ The point is, more and more truly connected insiders are saying this is all but a done deal. Two scenarios: Either all of this is 100% true and all of the chatter is based in reality OR the Rams and Stan's spin doctors are ingenious. They are in the process of spinning the best 'relocation threat to get a new stadium' ploy in NFL history. No owner has taken it this far, buying land in LA and saying absolutely NOTHING. Most of these deals have owners saying they want to stay if at all possible or they are gone and there is nothing you can do. The Big Red deal was very public and Billy called local politicians bluffs. Stan is not saying a word, creating mounds of speculation. I agree, I just want it over either way. It is ridiculous. My take is that Stan wants to go, will apply for relocation in FEB 15' and hope that he gets approval from the NFL to move. Whether he succeeds depends on whether or not Peacock can work some magic. Also, the X-factor will be if the NFL owners abide by bylaws they drafted or give Stan loopholes. Time will tell.