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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 8322b.html

Here's a new article about today's released renderings. It seems they're rather noncommital about what that practice field-looking thing might be: maybe a practice field, maybe a "kid zone," maybe just more parking.

The best parts of this piece, in my opinion, go into detail about how the Peacock/Blitz coalition is working with Susan Trautman about extending the Great Rivers Greenway there, and with Douglas Woodruff about turning the northern strip of buildings along Broadway into a row of eating and drinking establishments.

I started wondering if the practice field looking thing could be pallets of grass that could be. brought into the stadium. Does the field need to be grass for MLS?

Peacock will be on Frank's show at 11am on 920am

It looks like the strip of historic buildings on Broadway has been saved though. That's definitely progress.

dbInSouthCity wrote:Peacock will be on Frank's show at 11am on 920am

Stream here http://player.tritondigital.com/16821

roger wyoming II wrote:^ I see Cusamano had a tweet about a football themed park... I guess we'll hear more soon.

Football themed park or parking lot is what he said on channel 5 last night.

Getting closer to great, but there's still room for improvement. Of note:

1) The Laclede Power Co. needs to be saved. With the Archgrounds redo, progress on the Landing and the new stadium to the north, this historically-interesting (and cool-looking) space will quickly be tapped for redev/reuse.

2) Likewise, the William Kerr Foundation needs to be saved. A beautiful example of energy-efficient reuse of old buildings. Sure, maybe the foundation moves, but the building should stay. It can be incorporated into that training facility (?) and its green techniques used as a guide for that development as well.

3) These two points can be accomplished by shifting the stadium footprint up slightly by removing the detention center and graineries immediately north.

4) Rams headquarters needs to be in the City of St. Louis. Under new stadium terms, the team should be required to officially transfer all operations into the City. If it wants to use its Earth City practice facility, fine, but it shouldn't be their base of operations.

5) Up-zone the Bottle District for mid/high-rises. If this plan is as transformative as it's supposed to be, we have to leverage it to improve/activate the surrounding city -- in particular the near north side.

6) I'd like to see less surface parking -- not everyone wants to tailgate, so take some of the space and use it for a multi-level (partially buried) garage.

Can anyone provide a recap of the Peacock - Frank C. interview?

Some highlights:

- The focus is clearly on the Rams and the Rams only now. This is consistent with all his previous statements. He's been in contact with no other teams but the Rams.

- Re-iterated that the Rams, via Demoff, are involved. The NFL is involved even moreso. He expects Demoff will be even more involved after he lightens his player personnel load following the draft and free agency.

- When asked about the prospect of Kroenke "going rogue" (aka attempting to move without the NFL's blessing), he has received encouragement from a group of NFL owners saying that St. Louis controls their own destiny.

- His conversations with owners also suggest that the NFL is more likely/willing to allow owners to move markets, than franchises.

- Financing is still being sorted out, which shouldn't be surprising given the consultants added yesterday.

- Everything should be sorted out by next Super Bowl.

I think the biggest surprise will be when they announce that this can be open for the 2018 season...they need everything in place by July of 2016 and that's plenty of time, the sooner Stan commits the sooner everything can fall in place.

The Admiral shows up in these "most recent" renderings? Hmmmm. Smells like a fish...

My guess is that HOK stadium designer isn't local and just found a stock photo of STL and used it for the rendering

Isn't HOK's headquarters, like, 1000 feet away from the proposed stadium site?

Greatest St. Louis wrote:Some highlights:

- When asked about the prospect of Kroenke "going rogue" (aka attempting to move without the NFL's blessing), he has received encouragement from a group of NFL owners saying that St. Louis controls their own destiny.
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Here it comes. STL will pay heavily to Keep the Rams. Probably to the point of Kroenke not having to come out of pocket with any serious money at all. This is going to suck watching the state and city give this guy everything under the sun. Just let him go, please.

stlien wrote:

Greatest St. Louis wrote:Some highlights:

- When asked about the prospect of Kroenke "going rogue" (aka attempting to move without the NFL's blessing), he has received encouragement from a group of NFL owners saying that St. Louis controls their own destiny.
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Here it comes. STL will pay heavily to Keep the Rams. Probably to the point of Kroenke not having to come out of pocket with any serious money at all. This is going to suck watching the state and city give this guy everything under the sun. Just let him go, please.

Not sure how you made that leap. If anything, we probably won't spend any more than we already are, paid for by hotel surcharges.

Yes HOK is here but their stadium division may not be

HOK's stadium design office is based in KC.

dweebe wrote:

ricke002 wrote:I think those are adjacent to, not under, the Seattle fields.

I'm just throwing that out as what someone could use as an argument against this, as stupid as it may be.

http://www.hok.com/about/news/2015/03/0 ... -released/

Scroll down to the "Download high-resolution images" link. Select the last one "Site section to river". Download the original and you'll see the rail line is away from the stadium and appears to be placed in a tunnel.

Nah. I'm good.

Call me crazy....here is my hypothetical after these past two months of this.

I think St. Louis is the target in all of this. I'm not talking about Kroenke using leverage either, but the NFL needing a stadium in St. Louis to rectify this situation and help get two teams to LA.

What I mean is that STL is the only area out of the four that could publicly fund a stadium. None of the Cali cities(Oak, LA ,SD) has built a football stadium in the last five decades and will not use public money. This is why the NFL is working so hard to get a stadium here.......

Two teams will share a LA stadium but one is the odd man out which would have to go back to a city they just abandoned and an old stadium. I believe the NFL wants the third team in STL if the Rams are allowed to be one of the two teams. St. Louis is three months ahead of Oakland and San Diego......Oakland and San Diego both have a deadline; St. Louis does not.
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All three teams expressed they wanted to be in Los Angeles an the NFL said no until they figure who has the best deal for the league in LA and what city could build a stadium for the team left out. Sports teams usually announce their leaving in the middle or end of the season so things will not get ugly. But these teams are doing relocation in the loudest way possible.

blzhrpmd2 wrote:I am intrigued by Peacocks comments saying owners are more likely to move markets than franchises and that it would be a preferable situation here. I don't fully understand what that means but the growing lip service to a change in ownership is intriguing as similarly cryptic statements a few months ago have come to pass. I find it very hard to believe that one of the California teams would ever play in this stadium.

No matter how enticing certain markets may be, I have to believe that staying in a market is always preferable for the logistics of the franchise. Even if lucrative down the road, it seems like a huge hassle.

If the Chargers are already anticipating needing help from G-S covering financial losses for the first few years, wouldn't the Rams also? Does that account for relocation fees as well?

My last post was just an educated guess based off the facts we have now.

I agree with what you typed in that I don't see either Cali teaming coming here. A move to LA would be very expensive.

Buying the land
Relocation Fee
Renting Rose Bowl
Building stadium
Building practice facility
$$$$$$$