^ where did you find this prized information?
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He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill youuser28 wrote:^ where did you find this prized information?
There's a lot of people here who have inside informants and the ability to see renderings and plans, albeit it through different FTP sites or just being in the know.
Looks like we will have renderings within the next couple weeks.....very good stuff.
17th ward city talk March 8, 5-7. First public vetting of East of Cortex (FKA Federal Mogul) Master Plan, Concept Images @libraryannex
17th ward city talk March 8, 5-7. First public vetting of East of Cortex (FKA Federal Mogul) Master Plan, Concept Images @libraryannex
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So we should be able to get leaked versions before that, right?! 
Great news! Anyone want to give odds on whether this is completed before anything on BPV?
A $232 million plan to redevelop the former Federal-Mogul foundry site moves ahead
A $232 million plan to redevelop the former Federal-Mogul foundry site moves ahead
http://m.stltoday.com/business/local/a- ... 2c6ab.htmlWork could begin this summer to redo an old foundry as a food hall flanked by new offices, stores and apartments in a $232 million overhaul of 14 acres in Midtown St. Louis.
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Here is my post from the other dead Pace Midtown Station thread. Great to see some height, a more urban design, and the reuse of the trestle. But parking for 2600? Where? And what are your thoughts on the need for a plaza?
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http://m.stltoday.com/business/local/a- ... 2c6ab.html
http://m.stltoday.com/business/local/a- ... 2c6ab.html
And where is all that parking in the rendering?
Hope the interaction of the shorter buildings and the street is refined.
Hope the interaction of the shorter buildings and the street is refined.
^ Looks like it is behind the buildings (sea of surface parking?) and maybe under the residential.
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I've never totally understood the Railway bike trail on this site? Is there a picture of its general outlay/plan?
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From the NextStl article http://www.nextstl.com/2016/03/202424/mjbais1489 wrote:I've never totally understood the Railway bike trail on this site? Is there a picture of its general outlay/plan?
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My confusion about the trestle is how it is supposed to come back down on the other side. How does it leap the MetroLink tracks and land on Clayton Avenue?
Is it safe to assume there will never be a park at the Laclede Cab Company site on vandeventer as previously imagined?
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Is it safe to assume there will never be a park at the Laclede Cab Company site on vandeventer as previously imagined?
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^ I'm not sure I completely follow but after crossing Vandeventer the trail will run parrallel to the Metrolink tracks all the way to the new station; I assume they'll have treatments at the Sarah and Boyle intersections
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That rendering looks to be a little out of date with the current vision anyways. Last I remember the trail was talked about possibly even going through SLU, not Mill Creek Valley.
My guess is that there are certain corridors that would be a great fit: Along the metro link tracks through CORTEX, SLU's West Pine corridor down the heart of campus and in front of Chaifetz, and the trestle across Vandy. How are they going to link it all together specifically? I'm sure there are a dozen options that have yet to be finalized.
My guess is that there are certain corridors that would be a great fit: Along the metro link tracks through CORTEX, SLU's West Pine corridor down the heart of campus and in front of Chaifetz, and the trestle across Vandy. How are they going to link it all together specifically? I'm sure there are a dozen options that have yet to be finalized.
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I assumed GRG had plans for a protected bike path all the from Vandeventer to Forest Park along Clayton. I mean, there's surely room along the tracks for a dedicated path and connecting the MetroLink to the center of SLU's campus at Spring up to what might be called West Pine is certainly a good thing, so I have no complaints.
It just shows a gradual erosion of the original Chouteau Greenway plan, which was problematic anyway.
It just shows a gradual erosion of the original Chouteau Greenway plan, which was problematic anyway.
Its happening! Height instead of suburban office buildings! Next were gonna hear about towers downtown right??
^ To me a new park would be a new tax liability and not a tax generator unless it can generate nearby development. I don't think it makes any sense in such close proximity to Forest Park. I would favor trying to continue developing Vandeventer south of I-64 to eventually tie in with Manchester/the Grove.
Cortex needs this scale of development around the new Boyle/Sarah Metrolink station, but so far they have only committed to low rise buildings and parking lots.
Hopefully the City will get going on the Grand/Forest Park Ave. reconfiguration given the development moving eastward into Midtown.
Cortex needs this scale of development around the new Boyle/Sarah Metrolink station, but so far they have only committed to low rise buildings and parking lots.
Hopefully the City will get going on the Grand/Forest Park Ave. reconfiguration given the development moving eastward into Midtown.
Looks like the entire base of the high-rise on Vandeventer is a large garage.quincunx wrote:And where is all that parking in the rendering?
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Even though the posted trail map shows a trail between the CORTEX and Grand stations and a continuation of the Chouteau Greenway towards downtown, this trestle could be used to justify moving the central bikeway out of Mill Creek and into the central corridor.
Working with SLU and Harris-Stowe, a dedicated protected path could move down Laclede and onto a protected edge of Market straight into the Gateway Mall "hallway," and easily from there to the arch grounds. Then GRG could pay for what the failed Gateway Mall Conservancy couldn't.
It'd be much more effective than waiting around for an active railyard to disappear, and it would tie way more stuff together. Only Lafayette Square loses by the trail shifting north closer to the CBD.
Working with SLU and Harris-Stowe, a dedicated protected path could move down Laclede and onto a protected edge of Market straight into the Gateway Mall "hallway," and easily from there to the arch grounds. Then GRG could pay for what the failed Gateway Mall Conservancy couldn't.
It'd be much more effective than waiting around for an active railyard to disappear, and it would tie way more stuff together. Only Lafayette Square loses by the trail shifting north closer to the CBD.
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And shifting it out of Mill Creek and into areas of density would be better anyways. Still grinds my gears that Metro wasn't run closer to SLU, HSSU, Wells Fargo, CWE, etc. I get that Mill Creek was 'easier' but it's not the most beneficial.
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^It's trestle related. 
It begs the question of what the hell happens at the east and west ends of this thing once it is opened up.
That and if the route moved, it wouldn't be the Chouteau Greenway anyway.
It begs the question of what the hell happens at the east and west ends of this thing once it is opened up.That and if the route moved, it wouldn't be the Chouteau Greenway anyway.
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Yes it does. Also, 2,600 spaces seems like a lot for the site at first but then when you realize 2,000 jobs + residential + retail that's not out of line.framer wrote:Looks like the entire base of the high-rise on Vandeventer is a large garage.quincunx wrote:And where is all that parking in the rendering?
(What does come to mind though is this comes to fruition along with even more stuff surrounding it especially redevelopment south in that light industrial area you might be able to justify a Metrolink station on the east side of Vandy.... it'd be about 1/2 mile from the Boyle and Grand stops each.)
ImprovSTL wrote:They will be using the Armory building with the new structures.
Not seeing it mentioned anywhere.
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I think these guys need another rendering to clarify their intentions. NextSTL says it is inspired by Ponce City Market in Atlanta.
It looks like the trestle is going between those buildings to a pedestrian space with overhead bridges or something.
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Ponce City Market has a covered market between buildings like this:
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If they're imagining something like Soulard Market between the Trestle and Spring, that's going to take an incredible investment. SLU students would probably spend a lot of money in a place like that to get away from the campus food monopoly.
It looks like the trestle is going between those buildings to a pedestrian space with overhead bridges or something.
Ponce City Market has a covered market between buildings like this:
If they're imagining something like Soulard Market between the Trestle and Spring, that's going to take an incredible investment. SLU students would probably spend a lot of money in a place like that to get away from the campus food monopoly.