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shadrach · PostAug 26, 2016#1262016-08-26T00:58+00:00

I was thinking Furniture Row (as they tend to go next to IKEA's) but too small as well.

Too large for Staples, Best Buy, Michaels, Barnes & Noble average 26K but there's one close by.
Can't see another C&B or REI opening up, much less Gander/Cabela's/BassPro. (although BassPro was looking at the old Water Division site at 44/Hampton years ago.)

About the right size for grocery. Not sure if the area can handle another.

It's a puzzle.

chriss752 · PostAug 26, 2016#1272016-08-26T01:12+00:00

Presbyterian wrote:
chriss752 wrote:
joelo wrote:

Curious who that'll be. What usually go in spaces that size?
I think the retailer who this will be is one of these 2...
1. A Target Store
2. A Walmart Store.
Too small for a Target. Even a flexible-format city Target would be much larger. Too large for a Trader Joe's.

That's about the size of a Crate & Barrel. (Notice "Box & Cartons" in the rendering. But that may just be a placeholder.) But I wonder whether they're in expansion mode. I also spot "BC3" and "East Elm" in the renderings.

That's also about the size of some grocery stores, and I could see a high-end grocer pulling business from South Grand residents.

I guess it could be a Grocery Store or Crate and Barrel, but we don't know until they announce who it is.

shadrach · PostAug 26, 2016#1282016-08-26T02:12+00:00

But speculation is all the fun!
Like trying to figure out American Horror Story's next scenario/location.

STLrainbow · PostAug 26, 2016#1292016-08-26T02:18+00:00

Presbyterian wrote:
chriss752 wrote:
joelo wrote:
Too small for a Target. Even a flexible-format city Target would be much larger. Too large for a Trader Joe's.

That's about the size of a Crate & Barrel. (Notice "Box & Cartons" in the rendering. But that may just be a placeholder.) But I wonder whether they're in expansion mode. I also spot "BC3" and "East Elm" in the renderings.

That's also about the size of some grocery stores, and I could see a high-end grocer pulling business from South Grand residents.

My bet is a grocer, and Lawrence Group earlier said they were planning for one. And I agree a good grocer would draw well from Tower Grove area and other mid-South City nabes looking for something besides Schnuck's. But a Target can go in at 30,000 sq. ft.... they are opening quite a few in the 20-35K sq. ft. range, including a number in university areas. (I don't believe they use City or Express Target names anymore and now just call them all Targets.)

https://corporate.target.com/about/shop ... e-openings

jshank83 · PostAug 26, 2016#1302016-08-26T03:29+00:00

Didn't Target plan at one point to put in a smaller footprint store just to the north of IKEA (before IKEA was announced)?

Alex Ihnen · PostAug 26, 2016#1312016-08-26T04:04+00:00

^ There was a report of a letter of intent.

chriss752 · PostAug 26, 2016#1322016-08-26T04:20+00:00

I think whatever is going to go there is something that the area needs for convenience. That's why I think it is a Target or Walmart Store.

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gopherlou · PostAug 26, 2016#1332016-08-26T12:26+00:00

Though they are now all under the "Target" name, a TargetExpress would fit in 30k sq:
https://corporate.target.com/press/rele ... s-for-2015

Edit: Didn't see the link above, which is much better than mine.
https://corporate.target.com/about/shop ... e-openings

This Lincoln Park location is about the same size:

Now open! Lincoln Park North, Chicago, IL
Located at 2650 N. Clark St.
Approx. 31,100 sq. ft.
Merchandise includes men’s and women’s apparel and shoes, home items aimed at apartment and condo dwellers, beauty items, groceries (including meal solutions) and tech.
Services offered: Pharmacy, Target Mobile and Order Pick-up.

What are the chances that Target is the grocery?

joelo · PostAug 26, 2016#1342016-08-26T14:11+00:00

I actually stayed at an Airbnb above that Target. That would be perfect for that area. There is also a neighborhood Walmart just up the street that's about the same size. We used that as the Target wasn't opened yet but I think that would be great for the area.

imperialmog · PostAug 26, 2016#1352016-08-26T14:16+00:00

dredger wrote:^ I'm amazed at the statement to the fact that first phase will include 124,000 square feet of office space & he stated that tremendous amount of interest in that space. Also notes parking structure in first phase.

Kinda wonder why Sansone ever proposed what they proposed in the first place. I know they are big box stores developers but sure good news that Lawrence Group got their hands on the property and owner of Bull Moose is all in as an investor. You can't help to get the impression that some outside capital is making its way to St. Louis

I picture the outside capital is from Bull Moose and its parent company which is based on London. They also recently announced a project on North Grand that they are part of which will include their offices. It would be interesting to see if there is more outside investment in area projects.

shadrach · PostAug 26, 2016#1362016-08-26T14:25+00:00

I saw online that most of the smaller City Targets are 80K.
If they can do it in 30K, then by all mean, yes! Target makes perfect sense!

STLrainbow · PostAug 26, 2016#1372016-08-26T17:26+00:00

I'll post this link again on Target openings:

https://corporate.target.com/about/shop ... e-openings

Aside from 2 big-box, everything is under 50k sq. ft. and the smallest is just 16K.

pattimagee · PostAug 26, 2016#1382016-08-26T22:05+00:00

Can I have this one?

STLrainbow · PostAug 26, 2016#1392016-08-26T23:57+00:00

^ let's get er done!

chriss752 · PostAug 27, 2016#1402016-08-27T02:08+00:00

I like that one Pattimagee! ^

STLrainbow · PostAug 27, 2016#1412016-08-27T02:16+00:00

This one at UNC/Chapel Hill could've made for a superior Standard:

Gimme this one downtown, please!

shadrach · PostAug 27, 2016#1422016-08-27T03:12+00:00

^That's what I was hoping for in the empty lot across from IKEA, next to the 'will-it-ever-be-finished' Gerhardt Building.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostAug 29, 2016#1432016-08-29T13:57+00:00

I think a huge part of this project should be to better connect it to the Grand Metrolink station. As of right now the walk from the station for the average person is a bit brutal. I feel it would be wise to extend the trestle path across the highway to the station. With adequate signage of course.

wabash · PostAug 29, 2016#1442016-08-29T14:59+00:00

^Good idea - especially if anything ends up happening with the armory. So far it seems that, because of the existing trestle infrastructure and railroad ROW, that the bike/walking path connectivity will primarily be to the Boyle Station and not the Grand Station. Boyle is a bit further, but since they're trying to tie this development into Cortex and already have plans for bike path accommodation within the initial Boyle Station plan, it makes sense as a starting point for Metrolink connectivity.

Kevin B · PostAug 29, 2016#1452016-08-29T15:27+00:00

pattimagee wrote:Can I have this one?

You cannot, sorry. A project like that, if done in St. Louis, would probably require about 250 on-site parking spots. This pretty East Village project appears to have exactly none parking spaces (or at least I could find no mention of them in construction/listing information).

chriss752 · PostSep 15, 2016#1462016-09-15T23:30+00:00

New Renderings released today show a more detailed retail plan. The first image shows what appears to be a Apple Store design on the right side of the image. Possibly a hint of what's to come.

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moorlander · PostSep 16, 2016#1472016-09-16T00:17+00:00

So is it Target and Riot Games that are moving in? What other Clayton software companies are looking for space? Varsity Tutors just reuped.
Presby tweeted out that a 30k sf national retailer with another city location and a software company from Clayton.

btw that render reminds me of a grittier version of the Boulevard

dredger · PostSep 16, 2016#1482016-09-16T00:50+00:00

^ East Cortex revision came to my attention first. I see two 10-15 story towers in the rendering looking back to Ikea

Also, any thoughts that Lawrence Group just leaped frog Wexford? I'm starting to wonder if a hotel some how pops into the picture while you have radio silence from the new Wexford ownership

St.Louis1764 · PostSep 16, 2016#1492016-09-16T01:50+00:00

I'm thrilled with this entire development.. This entire area is going to be changing for the better
I think we're in the beginnings of seeing a better progressive Saint.Louis

moorlander · PostSep 16, 2016#1502016-09-16T03:01+00:00

Presbyterian wrote:
chriss752 wrote:
joelo wrote:

Curious who that'll be. What usually go in spaces that size?
I think the retailer who this will be is one of these 2...
1. A Target Store
2. A Walmart Store.
Too small for a Target. Even a flexible-format city Target would be much larger. Too large for a Trader Joe's.

That's about the size of a Crate & Barrel. (Notice "Box & Cartons" in the rendering. But that may just be a placeholder.) But I wonder whether they're in expansion mode. I also spot "BC3" and "East Elm" in the renderings.

That's also about the size of some grocery stores, and I could see a high-end grocer pulling business from South Grand residents.

You're probably right but the target I'm familiar with in Chicago is only 24k sf.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html

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