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Seems like every time i crave Chic fil a its on a sunday and they are closed on sundays darn it

juiceinkirkwood wrote:It's a good thing conservatives don't take a hard stance against any company that is anti-gun, anti-Christian, pro-gay, etc. We wouldn't have any businesses left but Wal-Mart, Chick FIl A, and Hobby Lobby.

I like what Woody (formerly of Woody & Rizz) always says; "I separate my politics from my chicken."

Yes but would you support a business that didn't believe you should have been allowed to marry your wife?

I've been to Chick Fil A, but I completely understand someone who doesn't want to spend $$ at a business that is opposed to their civil rights. It goes a little beyond politics then, it's more personal

I don't like to support ring wing Christian companies that hate members of society based off their little mythological fable book.

southsidepride wrote:

juiceinkirkwood wrote:It's a good thing conservatives don't take a hard stance against any company that is anti-gun, anti-Christian, pro-gay, etc. We wouldn't have any businesses left but Wal-Mart, Chick FIl A, and Hobby Lobby.

I like what Woody (formerly of Woody & Rizz) always says; "I separate my politics from my chicken."

Yes but would you support a business that didn't believe you should have been allowed to marry your wife?

I've been to Chick Fil A, but I completely understand someone who doesn't want to spend $$ at a business that is opposed to their civil rights. It goes a little beyond politics then, it's more personal

It's not so much personal to me, but it's just something I firmly believe in (which again—many/all of you may too... we show and support our beliefs in different ways), and so I just don't want to support the owners of that company.

Not go crazy political here, but there are issues that I think come down to better reasoning than others (taxes, guns, even abortion, perhaps), and then there are things that I think are black and white, right and wrong. Equal rights for all is one of those things.

And it's hard to in any way support something or someone that falls on what I firmly believe is the wrong side of that.

Now, to put a lighter spin on things, more context for my not frequenting a company who's ownership I don't believe in...

I won't eat at Little Caeser's either. Not because it's generally low quality, mediocre pizza. But because their owner, Mike Illitch owns the Detroit Red Wings (and the Detroit Tigers, though I have no beef with them).

threeonefour wrote:

onecity wrote:Not that at all. That whole "snowstorm" was just so...minor. 2 inches to shut down an entire metro? It makes me laugh, and I think it was funny.

Haha! Sorry I misunderstood you. Yeah, it doesn't take much to shut down the South. Atlanta is a much larger metro area than Birmingham and it didn't cope very well with a bit more than a dusting either.

I can be pretty critical of MoDOT and the streets department, but at least we aren't paralyzed by a couple of inches of snow!

There was that one time 2-3 years ago where things were paralyzed by an inch or two of snow due to MoDot incompetence making things worse than they needed to be.

juiceinkirkwood wrote:It's a good thing conservatives don't take a hard stance against any company that is anti-gun, anti-Christian, pro-gay, etc. We wouldn't have any businesses left but Wal-Mart, Chick FIl A, and Hobby Lobby.

I like what Woody (formerly of Woody & Rizz) always says; "I separate my politics from my chicken."

Well said. I respect the choices of others, but if I stayed away from places based on the political stands of their leadership, I'd have very few shopping or dining options. Where have you been, Juice?

jcity wrote:I don't like to support ring wing Christian companies that hate members of society based off their little mythological fable book.

I usually agree with you, but I think (1) Chick-Fil-A's stand has been misrepresented and overblown by the mainstream media, (2) they pulled their funding from the controversial groups two years ago, and (3) I quickly tire of the tactics atheists use to discredit and/or denigrate Christians. Again, it's another example of how tolerance is all too often a one-way street.

FWIW, my stand on Chick-fil-A comes as a straight Christian. It's just one issue I can't overlook.

^^While I know Chick Fil A stopped funding groups that are actively trying to suppress civil rights, they are still vocally opposed to marriage equality.

Again I haven't boycotted Chick Fil A--but do you see where someone might not be wild about frequenting an establishment whose owner still thinks they shouldn't have equal rights--even if they aren't supporting the cause monetarily?

If a business owner made clear he thought mixed race marriage should be illegal and backed it up with passages from the Bible would you think those who boycotted him were being irrational?

As far as your comment about atheists being intolerant--well sure, some are. But they are hardly the threat that many evangelical groups seem to think they are. First of all, they are a distinct minority and many of them do not broadcast their atheism for fear of reprisal. To some right wingers the fact they are allowed to vote or express their opinion at all is proof that they are "taking over America".

Ridiculous.

Why is this such a big deal? If you don't agree with the management of CFA's stance on social issues, DON'T GO THERE, and leave it at that...why the constant whining and bitsching about it...Great, you don't agree with them so you won't go there, good for you, let's leave it at that....so tired of the back and forth....

It's like the gay person who keeps trumpeting his/her gayness...great, your gay, good for you, let's move on....

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think we've all been pretty open about our willingness to agree to disagree here. We're just having a civil conversation anyways. Nothing wrong with that. I don't get the sense anyone has called anyone else's stance on this wrong or unreasonable.

so sorry to "trumpet my gayness" here, but i don't patronize chick-fil-a for reasons already stated: "oh, you think i'm subhuman? here, let me give you my money". however, as long as the company and its brass (who derive their personal wealth from the company) don't fund organizations working to abridge my civil rights i don't care that they exist and i don't care what they think. the bigger matter is that civil rights should not be subject to public opinion in the first place.

Awesome. I love Chik - fil - A. So delicious.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to boycott it. I've weaned myself off of StL Bread Co after their "asking" gun owners to leave their guns outside. Better for my wallet and bf%.

Too often we associate others politics with their own humanity, or we associate ourselves with our politics way too intimately.

Aesir wrote:Awesome. I love Chik - fil - A. So delicious.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to boycott it. I've weaned myself off of StL Bread Co after their "asking" gun owners to leave their guns outside. Better for my wallet and bf%.

Too often we associate others politics with their own humanity, or we associate ourselves with our politics way too intimately.

Yeah I can see where a company asking you not to walk in strapped like Mad Max is equivalent to a company broadcasting that it doesn't think you deserve civil rights

passages from the Bible

LOL

Again, it's just funny to me that people still use this fable "book" against the freedoms of real, live human beings (gays) today like it was used to defend slavery and the oppression of women. To each his own, I suppose, but I'm not going to be "tolerant of the intolerant". It's like the klan getting mad at being called out and saying, why are you so intolerant of my opinions. Hahaha

shimmy wrote:You guys do realize that you're all saying the same thing, right?

"I choose not to shop at certain places because of their political beliefs, but I'm cool with it if you still shop there."

"I still shop there, but you have every right to boycott it if you wish."

Haha! At least that shows the tone of this dialogue has been respectful, although I see that the conversation has been interesting enough to convince Michael Jackson to make some popcorn and watch the show.

Meanwhile, I'm craving Chick-Fil-A.

southsidepride wrote:

Aesir wrote:Awesome. I love Chik - fil - A. So delicious.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to boycott it. I've weaned myself off of StL Bread Co after their "asking" gun owners to leave their guns outside. Better for my wallet and bf%.

Too often we associate others politics with their own humanity, or we associate ourselves with our politics way too intimately.

Yeah I can see where a company asking you not to walk in strapped like Mad Max is equivalent to a company broadcasting that it doesn't think you deserve civil rights

It's not equivalent, and your post is a strawman on top of that.

[quote="threeonefour"

Haha! At least that shows the tone of this dialogue has been respectful, although I see that the conversation has been interesting enough to convince Michael Jackson to make some popcorn and watch the show.

Meanwhile, I'm craving Chick-Fil-A. [/quote]

You should go and get some Chick Fil A . I look at as everyone has a right to there own opinion and if you choose to support or not support a company for various reason then so be it.I think by now we should all have a better understanding of each other unless some of us are stuck in 1875...

I love gays, chik fill a, Michael Jackson, the bible, democrats, and republicans. I do not like the klan, popcorn, or chain Italian restaurants.

So now that gay marriage is back on the table in STL, does that make eating at C-F-A tolerable again? As in, "they" are fighting a lost battle?

That crossed my mind... but it feels like a cop out (since I took the stance in the first place). I think I'll have to wait until it's legal throughout the US. Then I'll gladly bite back into a chicken biscuit again.

ricke002 wrote:So now that gay marriage is back on the table in STL, does that make eating at C-F-A tolerable again? As in, "they" are fighting a lost battle?

the KKK are still fighting a (mostly) lost battle. is it therefore cool to go eat at the Chic-KKK-en Coop since, you know, black people can vote now and drink from the same water fountains? intention matters (at least to some). and i don't understand the "they" reference. the Cathy family, specifically, gave millions of dollars to organizations like Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, and Exodus International which work (to this day) against equal rights. and they only stopped (as far as the public knows) because of the bad press. you're free to eat wherever you like, but let's call a spade a spade. the reality is that most people just don't care that much about stuff that doesn't directly effect them.