PostApr 11, 2009#351
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No pics, but I drove by today and there is significant progress and the base of the tower crane is in. Should see it above street-level soon. Pretty exciting, wish it would have been downtown, but still.
Wow, that garage on Forsythe is way bigger and uglier than I had expected. Doesn't Clayton's "Main Street" deserve better?
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The garage in the rendering is unacceptable. I'm much less concerned with height and maybe even materials than I am with massing and how the building treats pedestrians and the street.
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Tower Crane is up! I think we should all be at least *content* that a new office tower is being built in the StL downtown to Clayton corridor. Time to watch it rise.
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newstl2020 wrote:Tower Crane is up! I think we should all be at least *content* that a new office tower is being built in the StL downtown to Clayton corridor. Time to watch it rise.
I want to see the towers in downtown STL more than anywhere, but I'll certainly take new construction in Clayton over a new CityPlace building on Olive.
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Is that REALLY what the parking garage on Forsyth is going to look like? The garage along FPP at the Metro stop looks better. I have a hard time thinking it's going to look this bad . . . someone please tell me I'm right.
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^ This is probably your best resource. It's dated 7.24.08 so take it FWIW
http://www.ci.clayton.mo.us/FileSystem/ ... prsntn.pdf
Check out the beauty that is pg 20.
http://www.ci.clayton.mo.us/FileSystem/ ... prsntn.pdf
Check out the beauty that is pg 20.
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Help verify a couple things for me:Moorlander wrote:^ This is probably your best resource. It's dated 7.24.08 so take it FWIW
http://www.ci.clayton.mo.us/FileSystem/ ... prsntn.pdf
Check out the beauty that is pg 20.
1. The planned Forsyth garage will be the only one built and will house street-level retail.
2. The second tower will be taller than the current Centene building at 7711 Carondelet (next door).
Idea: While no one necessarily wants to see a garage built, can we anticipate it attracting non-employees to the area on weekends, particularly people wanting to stop at the planned retail there? I ask noting that this stretch of Clayton is an especially dead area on weekends. Better be good food.
After viewing the blueprints, at 17 stories, this tower won't be much taller than the shorter Pierre Laclede Center.
prominant 30 story downtown tower> 22 story tower in clayton> lop off 5 floors to make a 17 story building.
It's good Centene started building because next stop was a 3 story office park in Chesterfield.
prominant 30 story downtown tower> 22 story tower in clayton> lop off 5 floors to make a 17 story building.
It's good Centene started building because next stop was a 3 story office park in Chesterfield.
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^ Since when is it Centene's duty to build office space for anyone but Centene? If you would like to contribute to their $186 million dollar project, I'm sure they would accept. Please try to keep in mind that large corporations building new headquarters are more interested in keeping afloat during this recession, than building tall to appease you.
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ocus3.html“And in Clayton, you can’t get a big block of space,” Schmid said.
That will change if the long-awaited and often-delayed Centene development gets built at Hanley and Forsyth, but Schmid said that’s at least 18 months away. And even that project has been scaled back from 550,000 square feet to 481,000 square feet. Centene itself is taking a smaller block, 200,000 square feet instead of 300,000.
Relax, dude. Just saying that this isn't going to be that impressive,
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construction is proceeding with the phase 1 tower. It's now peaking over the construction fence.
I was doing some work in the Chase last week, and caught a glimpse of the tower crane. That's as close as I've gotten so far. I'll have to head out there to check it out soon.
I don't believe Centene was ever serious about moving downtown. They used their "Ballpark Village Road Show" to get the Clayton property owners to sell. After the owners' initial refusal to sell and their subsequent legal victory regarding eminent domain, Centene's sudden commitment to downtown scared them enough to sell a few months later to the county. Centene picked up the land and got what they wanted. Just smart business. I am sure the mayor is still p.o. about the big announcement at the History Museum.
Framer, enjoyed the comment. Of course it took a minute to our two for me to put my pointer over Webcam and realized that Moorlander had actually provided the link. So much for any claim on my part to being the quickest of the bunch.
It looks like they've started demolition on the building just west of the tower on Forsyth. I guess the parking garage will start going up soon. Too bad. Downtown Clayton continues to lose what little historical character it has. The proposed Montgomery tower at Forsyth & Central (ie World news) would really kill the historical pedestrian scale. It's unfortunate there continues to be so much demolition in an area with so many surface lots.
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^Eh, I don't know if "historical" really counts here. Hanley House is historical; that was just a real estate building and a jewelry shop. If they were taking a bulldozer to all of North Central, well, that's different, but those two little buildings next door weren't secret treasures.
Part of me wishes they'd take out the Subway next door, too, but that's mostly for my disdain of the $5 footlong ads.
Part of me wishes they'd take out the Subway next door, too, but that's mostly for my disdain of the $5 footlong ads.