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PostAug 31, 2007#226

10-intuition wrote:There is an article in the biz journal about Centene narrowing down its sites for a new building. I don't have a subscription to their online site, but it says they narrowed it down to 2 sites in the county, 1 in the city, and possible relocation to Colorado or Virginia. Those two states are possibly offering incentives to lure Centene.


There is additional information in the article that seems to state that Centene is considering the Ballpark Village site as the strongest possiblity.

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PostAug 31, 2007#227

^ (Fingers crossed) That would be great!



I'm sure Slay and Company are aggressively selling Centene on a Ballpark Village location. I also hope this is on the radar screen for the Missouri Department of Economic Development, and Governor Blunt for that matter, since other states are apparently offering incentives as well.

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PostAug 31, 2007#228

The fact that it is no longer a City vs. County fight is huge. Like you said, should get the State involved. Outstate MO and Gov. Blunt and the City of St. louis and St. Louis County all on the same side. Can we be beat!

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PostSep 03, 2007#229

I second a move to the city section. Ballpark village gaining an anchor tenant as large as centene would be the biggest news for the city of stl in a long time. As a side note though...Centene is a large enough company to build their own tower independent of BPV in downtown if they wanted to...I wonder if they are considering this option at all?

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PostSep 03, 2007#230

^I don't think they would, especially when they might be able to catch a break by having someone else build the building for them(I don't know, I know nothing about economics).

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PostSep 04, 2007#231

Jesus, the city should be doing WHATEVER it can to attract Centene. Let them do pretty much ANYTHING they want. whatever it takes in my opinion. How many workers are there at Centene? Can they exempt the earnings tax for 10 years or, what other kind of abatement could be provided? I'm sorry, but I still think it is SOMEWHAT of a city vs. county/ downtown vs. clayton thing in my mind and the city better fight hard. It didn't fight for Husch and look where they went. Harmon was asleep at the wheel for that one...

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PostSep 21, 2007#232

Centene saga continues: Property owners agree to sell

St. Louis Business Journal - September 21, 2007

by Lisa R. Brown



Even as all signs appeared to point to Centene selecting Ballpark Village downtown for its new headquarters, Clayton officials worked through the week on an 11th-hour offer that includes all three property parcels the company had sought to acquire in Clayton.



The city of Clayton has the three properties owned by Dan Sheehan, Debbie Pyzyk and David Danforth under contract for a combined $10 million to $12 million, sources said. The city planned to discuss the option of buying the three properties and selling them to Centene at its Sept. 25 Board of Aldermen meeting. That discussion may be moot if Centene, as expected, announces its headquarters decision before next Tuesday.



http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... tory5.html

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PostSep 21, 2007#233

When I first read this entire article, I became really bummed that STL may lose an anchor tenant in the Ballpark Village development. I was frustrated that Clayton would buy out these properties to lure Centene back after already losing them and knowing that they may locate downtown.



However, I also realize that competition between areas within STL is healthy. I would much rather downtown STL lose out to Clayton than to St. Charles for instance. It remains to be seen what Centene decides to do.



My thoughts are that Centene is still going to go downtown. Supposedly they are going to announce their decision by next Tuesday, which would be on or before the Clayton board of aldermen meeting. They probably are also bitter about the Clayton development as a whole, and have spent a lot of time (and money I'm sure) in looking at alternate sites. Make this happen Slay...

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PostSep 21, 2007#234

Just a side note…..I had always heard that the developer of the Pierre Laclede Center originally wanted to build it on the land where Mansion House now sits. Because he was blocked by the "powers that be" he moved the development to Clayton thereby starting its renaissance as a center for large office buildings. Perhaps Claytons blocking of Centene might reverse that trend.

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PostSep 21, 2007#235

^Clayton (government) did not block this development. Individual property owners did.

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PostSep 21, 2007#236

^If, in fact, the owners are now selling, flagrant (and now adjudicated-illegal) government interference in the private real estate market for purely private intentions blocked the development.

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PostSep 21, 2007#237

^ or maybe it set the stage for what's happening now. We can all speculate, but we'll likely never know how this has come about. It may seem as simple as the asking price (if Centene would have just upped their offer this all could have been avoided), but I don't know if in fact that was the case. There's a lot of money involved and when you mess with someone's money you mess with their emotions! (and their emoticons!) :twisted:

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PostSep 22, 2007#238

ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Centene saga continues: Property owners agree to sell

St. Louis Business Journal - September 21, 2007

by Lisa R. Brown



Even as all signs appeared to point to Centene selecting Ballpark Village downtown for its new headquarters.......
Wow. Good deal. I hope that it comes to fruition despite Clayton's 11th hour dealmaking.



I hope they come with a new and taller design.

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PostSep 23, 2007#239

and Centene said... "goodbye clayton, hello bpv"

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PostSep 23, 2007#240

woohoo!!! :hyper:

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PostSep 23, 2007#241

Move this thread to the City!!!!! :D



Looking at other buildings it seems this would be ~30 stories. Anyone have some good examples? I found a couple that were 600-700K sq ft that were 26-28 stories - adding a couple levels of retail etc. would push it up a bit. At 30 stories it would be ~650ft. If they can attract another tenant maybe there will be another tower or two. Too bad Express Scripts is already out at UMSL, this could have been the hub for some big time health provider companies. Now it would be nice to lure some businesses from outside the region.



[edit] My numbers are a bit off - I think. 30 stories would be something more like 300-350ft. But 700,000 sq ft may be taller than 30 stories. We'll have to see how big a footprint this thing has. [/edit]

PostSep 23, 2007#242

Let's hope we get something like this: 672 ft., 64 stories.




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PostSep 23, 2007#243

What kind of sq. footage is that last building? I don't doubt at all that you could get 672 feet out of 700,000sq ft. but that would have to be a fairly small footprint wouldn't it? I'm hoping they choose a smaller footprint with a taller height as opposed to a whole block building. ( although a whole block building would fit in more with the buildings currently in downtown) I'm rooting for some diversity in our towers. Let's see something new!

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PostSep 24, 2007#244

urban_dilettante wrote:woohoo!!! :hyper:


Exactly! 1,200 jobs and a new (hopefully tall) skyscraper to add to the skyline! At least Centene decided to stay in the region instead of move out of state.:D

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PostSep 24, 2007#245

Why do so many of you want such TALL skyscrapers 60 stories etc in STL ??! Don't you realize we're sitting on the worst earthquake fault in the nation . . . . and I for one don't want to be SFO, LA, NY or Chicago for that matter :roll: !

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PostSep 24, 2007#246

^Any new 60 story building will fair far better in an earthquake than whatever building you are sitting in.

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PostSep 24, 2007#247

If designed properly a tall building generally fairs better than a short one in the event of an earthquake. The latteral forces that are present during a quake are dispersed along the length of the structure. On a short building the forces are concentrated along a very short distance, on a tall building, however, the equal force is dissipated as it travels up the building.

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PostSep 25, 2007#248

Maybe he is just not a fan of physics? :D



I realize that this is a forum about St. Louis and not about Skyscrapers, but I personally love tall buildings. Something magical about being able to look up! Anyone who has looked up at the old wtc, sears, etc. knows there is just something special about being able to do that. We have that to some extent in stl, but I can't wait for something truly special.

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PostApr 24, 2008#249

Clayton is back in the mix for the Centene project.


Centene may revive Clayton plans

By Margaret Gillerman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

Thursday, Apr. 24 2008



The mayor of Clayton said today that new negotiations with Centene Corp. leave her "cautiously optimistic" that the company will restore plans to build its world corporate headquarters and a retail complex in that city.



Last month, Centene abandoned plans to move its headquarters from Clayton to the Ballpark Village site beside Busch Stadium in downtown St. Louis.



Clayton had been the company's original choice, but the plan got mired in eminent domain issues that do not appear to be an obstacle any longer.



Regional and state officials are a part of Clayton's new discussions with Centene , officials said.



"While we are cautiously optimistic that the mutual needs of Centene and Clayton can be met, it’s never a deal until it’s done," said Mayor Linda Goldstein.



“We are hopeful Centene will see its current home in Clayton is a good one to build on for the future," Goldstein said. "We received positive feedback about the project and have been in negotiations.”



Centene spokesman Ken Fields said the corporation appreciates "the ongoing support of the city of Clayton and its constituents."



"We remain hopeful that we can work together with the city of Clayton to keep our growing company in the St. Louis region," Fields said.



He noted that there were still "a number of steps that must be taken in order to solidify an agreement. " Until those details are addressed, we will continue to evaluate other potential options for the location of our world headquarters, both in and out of the St. Louis region."



The talks have been underway for about a week and a half, an official said.



Goldstein said she is seeking a broad-based consensus from Clayton residents and businesses.



Centene's headquarters has been in Clayton since 1997, and it owns much of the block west of Hanley Road , between Forsyth Boulevard and Carondelet Avenue.



The city previously approved an expansion project - - estimated to cost $210 million -- for a headquarters and retail center. The city and Centene worked hard to promote it, hailing it as a boon to the entire region.



But the project fell through after owners of key parcels won a Missouri Supreme Court judgment in a fight to keep their land from being condemned by the city for Centene's benefit. Those owners have since sold the land to a third party, presumably making the eminnent domain issue moot.



St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley issued a statement today that said, "We work hard every day to keep high-quality companies like Centene in our region. We believe the opportunity to keep their proposed mixed-use development in Clayton will provide this important and growing company with a state-of-the-art world headquarters that will serve them well for years to come.”



Gov. Matt Blunt said, also in a prepared statement: "We have been firmly committed over the last three years to creating an economic climate that helps Missouri businesses grow and expand their presence in our state,” He continued, “Our proposal is a sound investment in the St. Louis region’s economic future and I am pleased to partner with the Missouri Development Finance Board, the City of Clayton and St. Louis County to help this Missouri employer create more jobs for workers and families.”


URL: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument



It's not Downtown, but it's sure better than out of the region or state.

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PostApr 24, 2008#250

more jobs = higher property values in Clayton.... :D





and then higher property taxes :cry:

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