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PostDec 15, 2006#1

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument





Developer seeks TIF for project in Clayton

By Margaret Gillerman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

12/15/2006



A developer is proposing a $100 million hotel, office and retail village on the last remaining piece of property in the area surrounding the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Clayton and is seeking $15 million in tax increment financing to help pay for it.



If Clayton agrees to a TIF, it would be the municipality's first, Clayton officials said.



"I would certainly carefully consider supporting a TIF if that would become necessary to bring about the project. But before doing so, I want to get all the facts and information," Mayor Ben Uchitelle said.



About three years ago, a different developer discussed a TIF, but Clayton officials and residents responded coolly to the idea.

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Jim Mello, a lawyer with the Armstrong-Teasdale firm, told city officials that the developer, Mark S. Mehlman Realty Inc., wanted to be upfront about the need for a TIF. "The unavoidable reality is that it can't be done without a public-private partnership,'' Mello said.



Mello estimated that the TIF would probably last 18 to 20 years. The $100 million price tag tentatively would be made up of $80 million in private financing, $15 million from the TIF and $4 million from a community improvement district.



The remaining $1 million could be raised from a hotel tax, with the city funneling half the tax generated by the boutique hotel back into the development, Mello said.



The plan has not been formally proposed. Included in the preliminary plans presented Tuesday to the Board of Aldermen are:



— A 100-room boutique hotel



— 100,000 square feet of office space.



— 100,000 square feet of retail space



— An underground garage with 755 spaces on five levels



The development, called Carondelet Village, would be on about two acres between Forsyth Boulevard and Carondelet Plaza. For almost two decades, the land has been vacant. It is part of what some refer to as the "Clayton Hole" or "Clayton Lake." Buildings there were torn down for a development that was never built.



The new development is east of the Crescent condominium property being built by Mehlman, and west of the site of the planned Clayton City Condos, a $150-million development of condominiums, offices and shops by Orchard Development Group.



Tyler Stephens, an architect in Schweyte Architects, said the part of the development along Forsyth would include shops on the ground floor and offices above. The hotel and two floors of retail would front on Carondelet with the anchor store at the corner of Forsyth and Carondelet.



A covered arcade along Forsyth would encourage people to walk to the new MetroLink stop, said architect Thomas Schweyte.



Mark Mehlman, the developer, said that this was "the final piece of the puzzle" for the area around the Ritz. "This will be a perfect fit,'' he said. "It will be a destination."

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PostDec 15, 2006#2

Clayton TOD, let's keep rolling!



New Metrolink lines should be similar to this one and actually allow for TPD as opposed to using abandoned railroad corridors making it more difficult.

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PostDec 15, 2006#3

Do I understand this correctly? This is in addition to the three residential buildings announced a couple of weeks ago for the Clayton hole? Wow, this is going to be quite a Metrolink stop.

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PostDec 15, 2006#4

yes...in addition to orchard's development behind the ritz

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PostDec 16, 2006#5

SMSPlanstu wrote:Clayton TOD, let's keep rolling!



New Metrolink lines should be similar to this one and actually allow for TPD as opposed to using abandoned railroad corridors making it more difficult.


Umm, but the Shrewsbury extension would have never happened without using abandoned railroad lines, or, at most, it would have been a little nub off of the main line that ended in downtown Clayton. And, I'm not sure the expense could have been justified if that was the case. Think of what the cost per mile would have been!

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PostDec 18, 2006#6

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Mehlman floats $100 million second phase for Crescent



Seeks $15 million TIF for Clayton development

St. Louis Business Journal - December 15, 2006by Lisa R. Brown

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Mark Mehlman’s yet unnamed development would include new office space and a hotel.

View Larger Mark Mehlman's luxury condo project under construction in Clayton, The Crescent, may soon have a $100 million retail, hotel and office development next door.



Mehlman, principal of St. Louis-based Mark S. Mehlman Realty, presented plans to Clayton officials Dec. 12 for a mixed-use development on property adjacent to The Crescent. The plans call for an outdoor retail center totaling 100,000 square feet; 102,000 square feet of offices; a 100-room boutique hotel; a 755-car garage; and a two-story, 18,000-square-foot bank with a drive-through.





Mehlman has the 2-acre parcel under contract for an undisclosed amount from Clayton Land Co. The property is directly east of Mehlman's $72 million Crescent project at 155 Carondelet Plaza, which is expected to be completed in fall 2007.



The office component of Mehlman's proposed development would front Forsyth. The boutique hotel, which does not yet have an operator, would be located along Carondelet Plaza with ground floor retail, adjacent to an anchor retail tenant and other shops. The V-shape design of the project would create an open-air pedestrian retail center in the middle.



Mehlman said the high level of interest in the 26,000 square feet of retail space at The Crescent reflects the demand for more retail near the development on the east side of Clayton. The area has seen several projects proposed or built in recent years, including Chicago-based Orchard Development Group's $150 million mixed-use development.



"This piece of property sits in a very key location," Mehlman said. "We just need to get people circulating and walking down Forsyth. Developing The Crescent was the catalyst."



Mehlman has requested $20 million in public subsidies for the proposed mixed-use project, including $15 million in tax increment financing (TIF) and additional subsidies through the creation of a Transportation Development District and a Community Improvement District. The city of Clayton has never issued a TIF before.



Armstrong Teasdale attorney Jim Mello, who is representing Mehlman on the project, said the developer was able to secure $80 million in private financing for the project but added that it would not be feasible without public subsidies.



"Unless you get that kind of magnitude in one location, you're not going to be able to establish downtown Clayton as a retail destination," Mello said.



St. Louis-based Schwetye Architects has been tapped to design the village. A lender and general contractor have not yet been selected.



Clayton officials said the project needs further review. "This is very exciting and a very forward-thinking project," Mayor Ben Uchitelle said at the discussion session Dec. 12. "We've all been seeking to increase our retail, so (the proposal) has huge positives."

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PostJan 06, 2007#7

From this weeks St. Louis Business Journal in a special section called "Preview 2007."




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PostJan 06, 2007#8

What is that over the escalators? Some kind of plexiglass cover? Or a screen? I see that outdoor roof showing up everywhere now -- the Louiville Live area by Cordish has some kind of overhead street cover. The new Ballpark village pictures show an overhead screen of some kind. And the Cordish pictures of KC Power and Light development show something similar. Maybe this makes the Midwest sun a little more bearable in the summer.

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PostJan 06, 2007#9

A glass cover - or glass dome - was also planned for the earlier version of the Cupples Station renovation. It was to link two buildings of the complex.



Anyway, I wonder about this much new retail considering that the Boulevard is about to expand as well as the The Galleria.

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CLAYTON: Carondelet Village planned near Ritz-Carlton Hotel



07/13/2007







Carondelet Village, a development that would include stores, offices, condominiums, a hotel and a movie theater, has been proposed for property south of Forsyth Boulevard and north of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel.



Developer Mark Mehlman says the cost of the project is expected to be about $112 million. He said he hoped to buy the needed property by Dec. 1.



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PostJul 23, 2007#11

^ So this would be immediately west of the Triannon development? I can't say I really like how this faces inward - thought I already don't like what they've done with Corondelet - it's basically a driveway instead of a reall through road. It will be nice to have a few more restaurants at this end of Clayton and retail as well - AND it's adjacent to the Metrolink if anyone would care to use it.

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PostJul 23, 2007#13

^ what's up with suv on the second level. This development looks pretty impressive, I'd like to see what it looks like from a distance. However I too don't like how it faces inward either, but it looks like storefronts will face forsyth aswell. I bet Clayton refuses the sales tax increase (I hope) and this doesn't go through.

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PostJul 24, 2007#14

Can Clayton sustain a retail development of this magnatude? Needless to say, the city will support the project as the land has been vacant for 15+ years.

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PostJul 24, 2007#15

Yes

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PostJul 24, 2007#16

b777stl wrote:Can Clayton sustain a retail development of this magnatude?




I have no Idea, but if any location in the metro can, Clayton is as good (or better) as any.

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PostJul 24, 2007#17

Is Clayton about to one-up the Ballpark Village? I would rather have this downtown than what Cordish has put on the table for phase I...

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PostJul 24, 2007#18

b777stl wrote:Can Clayton sustain a retail development of this magnatude? Needless to say, the city will support the project as the land has been vacant for 15+ years.


Yes - there have been quite a few additional jobs and residents in the area since it was last a retail hub. They have a chance to pre-empt the CWE as a swanky shopping area (besides, many from West County may come in to Clayton, but not as far as the CWE). There's a lot of money in Clayton and the Galleria area really isn't upscale. I'm actually suprised that with 2.5M+ residents in the metro area that there aren't 2-3 very upscale retail districts. Plaza Frontenac is the only one I'm familiar with - any others? I don't think the CWE has quite enough high-end stores, or very large stores to really count - but maybe if a few more more vacant lots are built on . . .

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PostJul 24, 2007#19

^^true, if you combine Triannon ($150 million), The Crescent I ($72 million, and Crescent II- Carondolet Village ($100 million) and the 2 towers (?$)... that's close to BPV phase 1.

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PostJul 24, 2007#20

Go for a drive through Clayton's Central Business Districts-east of Hanley for that matter. Virtually all of Forsyth Blvd was occupied ten years ago and now almost all of the ground level space is vacant. Go to the Maryland Ave shops and you'll find several vacant stores. While Clayton may have a nice (and costly) quality of life, they really don't have very much in the way of retail. Certainly they have small boutiques and almost every cuisine under the sun, however they are lacking big box retail. It will be interesting to see how this project comes along.

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b777stl wrote:Go for a drive through Clayton's Central Business Districts-east of Hanley for that matter. Virtually all of Forsyth Blvd was occupied ten years ago and now almost all of the ground level space is vacant. Go to the Maryland Ave shops and you'll find several vacant stores. While Clayton may have a nice (and costly) quality of life, they really don't have very much in the way of retail. Certainly they have small boutiques and almost every cuisine under the sun, however they are lacking big box retail. It will be interesting to see how this project comes along.


Almost all??? Some, but not almost all. Vacant - shady oak and fountain place. Needless to say, it needs a shot in the arm.



I don't think you meant big box retail... Big box retail is Walmart/Home Depot etc... Clayton cherry pics off it's neighboring muni's big box retail. Clayton doesn't want big box retail.



Ladue - Schnucks, Office max, Barnes and Noble.

Richmond Heights/Maplewood/Brentwood - all that mess just south of 40.

PostJul 25, 2007#22

Grand Stair looking NE- Ritz on the right





dunno why the image won't show... EDIT: Finally...




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PostJul 26, 2007#23

that's going to be one sweet project :lol:

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PostJul 26, 2007#24

And it's located adjacent to a great Metrolink station!!! I work in the area and can't wait for this to all be developed - it will be an even better place to work.

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b777stl wrote: Go to the Maryland Ave shops and you'll find several vacant stores. .


What Maryland av shops are you talking about?. From Hanley west to 170 there isn't one empty retail space.





btw, Me and the lady friend rode our bikes through DT Clayton and the streetlife was very enjoyable. J bucks, Bar Napoli, Chipotle, Portabellas, Barcelona. Pomme, Ruth Cris, Baristers, Roxanne, Miso, Carondolet grill and il vicino all had packed outside patios. Barcelona had a live band and spanish tunes filled the streets all the way to forsyth. Ruth Chris had a live band as well. It was also good to see the new seafood place busy as well (old tejas)

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